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What is the religious defense of this Jesus Christ quote?
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RE: What is the religious defense of this Jesus Christ quote?
(July 31, 2024 at 10:11 am)Vicki Q Wrote:
(July 30, 2024 at 6:52 am)brewer Wrote: But I think you probably knew that.
Hardly. If I have more than three things to buy I know I'll forget some so I make a list. Similarly I don't therefore remember book, chapter and verse of all those allegedly troublesome passages. So better to ask...

Quote:Apologies, it's 1 Tim 2:11-12
As for content, NTWright nails it again. As always, RATS (read about the setting) is the answer.

Verse 11- women are being actively encouraged to study and learn. Paul adds 'give them peace and quiet to do it'. Although full submission is assumed by some to be to a husband, it's more likely to mean submission to God or the Gospel, especially given that's a constant theme of Paul's.

Verse 12- 1 Tim was written about ministry in Ephesus, where the main religious show in town was the Temple of Artemis/Diana. This was run by women, and men were kept in their place. Since the letter was discussing how following Jesus meant that all types of roles and relationships had to be rethought, Paul is warning against following the Artemis model (and this needed saying because given the complete newness of  Christianity and the dominance of the Diana cult, the shiny new church might well go down that road). ‘I don’t mean to imply that I’m now setting up women as the new authority over men in the same way that previously men held authority over women.’

It was a local letter for local people.

NTWs translation:
11They must be allowed to study undisturbed, in full submission to God.  12I’m not saying that women should teach men, or try to dictate to them; they should be left undisturbed.

I find it eye opening that the 'word of god' can't stand on it's own for the average educated reader. Could it be that is no longer impactful/applicable until someone ads their own slant? Why was it included (or not removed) if it was a local letter for local people that no longer exist?

Maybe we need to return to bibles only printed in Latin.

And please educate me, is NTW the JW version?
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RE: What is the religious defense of this Jesus Christ quote? - by brewer - July 31, 2024 at 3:03 pm

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