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The source of all evil
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RE: The source of all evil
Quote:True, but in cases, Christians are hypocrites - they preach of God's love, yet they demonize homosexuality by quote the verses of anti-gay scriptures. I just don't think the quoting the verses of anti-gay scriptures will make the hatred against homosexuality any civilized. Nor will any kind of excuses to make the incivility civilized. Religion isn't help anything, really.
Well, they have to. Homosexuality, after all, is a mortal sin according to their holy books.
What I don't understand is why they do not do the same for the breaking of the sabbath.
Like, they do not follow the law of Moses, yet they have decided on certain things that are considered to be sinful.
Christianity is, as a matter of fact, a religion that is not really stable.
One cannot decide on what to believe, unless one chooses to follow a tradition.

And well, God's love is, again via scripture, to those who accept it.
And there are certain restrictions and limitations. God obviously had no love for overtly sinful and foul nations like Sodom and Gomorrah, something that must be taken into accord, and the law of Moses states that sodomites are to be put to death when discovered.
There actually is no "contradiction" or "hypocricy". I think there is only confusion within christianity.
Quote:I don't see how they can improvise themselves without the burden of responsibility [or guilt] if they had it removed through by forgiveness of god?

I'm not sure if you see my point - What if the one removes the burden of responsibility [or guilt] without learn any lesson?
I'd post a verse that'd go in accordance with this conversation, but I'm still searching for it, so I'll return to that later.
I'll say only this. In Christianity, as in Islam, one may either sin against the fellow man, or one may sin against God.
If you sin against the fellow man, you do not ask God for forgiveness, you ask the man you had wronged. If you had sinned against God(like breaking his commandments, his laws or whatever that was forbidden), you seek redemption only and only from God.
You say like, if someone had broken someone's nose the other day, he goes and asks God's forgiveness for it. It does not make sense.
The bible had a verse that supports this, but I can't find it.
The guilt factor, again, is the same. If you seek forgiveness for wrongdoing from a fellow men, and he forgives you, you do not feel guilt.
If you seek forgiveness from God, and the scripture is in your favour, you feel no more guilt towards God.
Quote:If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.
Well, for some people, it takes a few spankings.
Quote:Ah. I don't think forgiveness are morally wrong - sure, it's great feeling to have the heavy weight removed from your shoulders. But... Uh.. I live with my own repentance - To me, Repentance is sole reason I improvise my morals, ethics, and who I am -- to be good person.
Okay. But I'm sure that most people are trying to be good people.
I'm not excluding christians.
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I still don't see any apparent reason why the one should need the bible [or religious Scriptures] to be good. After all, the bible is written by morally primitive sheepherders lived in between of 6000-2000 years ago. But really, it's sad to think many theists would believe the conscience come from god, not humanity.
Well, how does it come that you are morally "superior" to the primitive sheepherders that lived 3000 year ago?
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The source of all evil - by Rokcet Scientist - December 24, 2011 at 6:32 am
RE: The source of all evil - by 5thHorseman - December 24, 2011 at 6:56 am
RE: The source of all evil - by Welsh cake - December 24, 2011 at 9:21 am
RE: The source of all evil - by orogenicman - December 24, 2011 at 9:22 am
RE: The source of all evil - by Freedom - December 24, 2011 at 9:55 am
RE: The source of all evil - by Blam! - December 24, 2011 at 10:12 am
RE: The source of all evil - by kılıç_mehmet - December 26, 2011 at 8:30 am
RE: The source of all evil - by Blam! - December 26, 2011 at 8:49 am
RE: The source of all evil - by kılıç_mehmet - December 26, 2011 at 8:52 am
RE: The source of all evil - by 5thHorseman - December 26, 2011 at 8:33 am
RE: The source of all evil - by Blam! - December 26, 2011 at 9:06 am
RE: The source of all evil - by kılıç_mehmet - December 26, 2011 at 9:13 am
RE: The source of all evil - by Blam! - December 26, 2011 at 10:39 am
RE: The source of all evil - by kılıç_mehmet - December 26, 2011 at 2:31 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by Xavier - December 26, 2011 at 11:31 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by Rokcet Scientist - December 28, 2011 at 8:51 am
RE: The source of all evil - by kılıç_mehmet - December 28, 2011 at 8:05 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by Rokcet Scientist - December 28, 2011 at 9:36 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by kılıç_mehmet - December 28, 2011 at 9:45 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by Rokcet Scientist - December 28, 2011 at 10:01 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by kılıç_mehmet - December 29, 2011 at 8:39 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by Blam! - December 30, 2011 at 6:02 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by Rokcet Scientist - December 30, 2011 at 7:32 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by Blam! - December 29, 2011 at 11:02 am
RE: The source of all evil - by Cinjin - December 26, 2011 at 2:44 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by 5thHorseman - December 26, 2011 at 2:51 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by Rokcet Scientist - December 27, 2011 at 1:00 am
RE: The source of all evil - by The Grand Nudger - December 27, 2011 at 8:49 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by orogenicman - December 27, 2011 at 8:54 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by The Grand Nudger - December 29, 2011 at 12:40 am
RE: The source of all evil - by Rokcet Scientist - December 29, 2011 at 11:11 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by kılıç_mehmet - December 30, 2011 at 1:33 am
RE: The source of all evil - by kılıç_mehmet - December 30, 2011 at 7:26 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by Blam! - December 31, 2011 at 12:22 am
RE: The source of all evil - by kılıç_mehmet - December 30, 2011 at 7:44 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by Rokcet Scientist - December 30, 2011 at 8:00 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by kılıç_mehmet - December 30, 2011 at 8:08 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by Rokcet Scientist - December 30, 2011 at 10:26 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by kılıç_mehmet - January 2, 2012 at 2:19 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by Rokcet Scientist - January 2, 2012 at 11:00 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by Cyberman - January 2, 2012 at 11:23 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by Minimalist - January 2, 2012 at 11:48 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by Cyberman - January 2, 2012 at 11:58 pm
RE: The source of all evil - by Rokcet Scientist - January 3, 2012 at 8:32 am

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