RE: Russia and Ukraine
March 5, 2025 at 9:01 am
(This post was last modified: March 5, 2025 at 9:10 am by Angrboda.)
(March 5, 2025 at 8:53 am)Belacqua Wrote:(March 5, 2025 at 8:44 am)Angrboda Wrote: You have reading comprehension issues. I didn't say Kissinger was a Russian propagandist, idiot. I said Russian propagandists are who would be interested in digging up his words.
Oh, I see what you mean now.
But not only propagandists are interested in what they said. They made accurate predictions and warnings, and we failed to heed them. It's good to learn from history.
Thump already asked you for evidence that Europe or the U.S. was trying to bring Ukraine into NATO. Until you present some evidence, then their predictions of such remain unfulfilled. Though it is worth note that Russia has repeatedly pushed the idea that NATO expansion is what triggered and justified the war. Most observers in the West view this as basically false, but you'll still hear it repeated by Russian propagandists and others. Putin and Russia have basically lied from start to finish beginning with the annex of Crimea, the invasion of the Donbas region, and the eventual invasion of Ukraine. None of this was provoked. These have all been wars of opportunity.
Quote:On 21 February, Yanukovych and the parliamentary opposition signed an agreement to bring about an interim unity government, constitutional reforms and early elections. Police abandoned central Kyiv that afternoon and the protesters took control. Yanukovych fled the city that evening. The next day, 22 February, the Ukrainian parliament voted to remove Yanukovych from office by 328 to 0 (about 73% of the parliament's 450 members). Yanukovych claimed this vote was illegal and asked Russia for help. Russian propaganda described the events as a "coup".
Pro-Russian, counter-revolutionary protests erupted in southern and eastern Ukraine. Russia occupied and then annexed Crimea, while armed pro-Russian separatists seized government buildings and proclaimed the independent states of Donetsk and Luhansk, sparking the Donbas war.
~ Wikipedia
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