Russia and Ukraine

[Belacqua]

This journalist has a long history of getting things right. Unlike, say, Rachel Maddow.

https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/they-...istan-they

[Fake Messiah]

This journalist has a long history of getting things right. Unlike, say, Rachel Maddow.

https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/they-...istan-they

Ha, ha, yeah, those talking heads on Putin controlled Russian Television have always been right, unlike those on American TV.

[Belacqua]

This journalist has a long history of getting things right. Unlike, say, Rachel Maddow.

https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/they-...istan-they

Ha, ha, yeah, those talking heads on Putin controlled Russian Television have always been right, unlike those on American TV.

Let me know when you're leaving for Ukraine. I'll send you a couple of bucks for bullets. 

https://ildu.com.ua/

Or maybe you just want other people to die.

[The Grand Nudger]

It's pretty clear that putin wants other people to die. Namely the ukranians. Now, russia will take any broke dick willing to carry water (literally)...but ukraine doesn't.

[Belacqua]

It's also worth noting that Bel's two prophecies were written in the immediate aftermath of Russia seizing Crimea.  Ignoring the context to suggest they were speaking to future events is misleading.  Both were addressing the then present.

But who cares enough about what Kissinger and Pilger wrote in 2014 to dig this up now?  Russian propagandists.

Were you alive during the run-up to the Iraq war? I don't know how old you are. 

If you were paying attention at that time, or if you looked into it afterward, you are aware that the government lied a lot. They wanted the war so they lied.

The corporate media also lied a lot. The New York Times lied. The Washington Post lied. A lot of them lied a lot. 

The journalists who lied kept their jobs, while many of those who told the truth were fired or became untouchable in corporate media. These are the ones you should trust, because they have a record of telling the truth. The ones who lied, and continue to lie, should not be trusted. 

They are skillful at manipulating emotions. The Rachel Maddow clip is sort of hilarious, because she speaks so breathlessly -- as if she's telling scary stories around the campfire. She has been telling scary Russia stories for years, and nearly all of them turn out to be false. But that doesn't affect her salary at all. 

A lot of people make money from war. Poor people die. I'm assuming all the macho men on this forum will be signing up soon, because they think it's important to continue the war, and Ukraine is running out of soldiers.

[Fake Messiah]

Let me know when you're leaving for Ukraine. I'll send you a couple of bucks for bullets. 

https://ildu.com.ua/

Or maybe you just want other people to die.

Wtf are you talking about? Why do you think that I don't want peace? I can assure you that I want Russia to stop bombing Ukraine and killing and raping its people - which means peace.

[Angrboda]

It's also worth noting that Bel's two prophecies were written in the immediate aftermath of Russia seizing Crimea.  Ignoring the context to suggest they were speaking to future events is misleading.  Both were addressing the then present.

But who cares enough about what Kissinger and Pilger wrote in 2014 to dig this up now?  Russian propagandists.

Kissinger was a Russian propagandist. 

OK.

You have reading comprehension issues. I didn't say Kissinger was a Russian propagandist, idiot. I said Russian propagandists are who would be interested in digging up his words.

[Angrboda]

It's also worth noting that Bel's two prophecies were written in the immediate aftermath of Russia seizing Crimea.  Ignoring the context to suggest they were speaking to future events is misleading.  Both were addressing the then present.

But who cares enough about what Kissinger and Pilger wrote in 2014 to dig this up now?  Russian propagandists.

Were you alive during the run-up to the Iraq war? I don't know how old you are. 

If you were paying attention at that time, or if you looked into it afterward, you are aware that the government lied a lot. They wanted the war so they lied.

The corporate media also lied a lot. The New York Times lied. The Washington Post lied. A lot of them lied a lot. 

The journalists who lied kept their jobs, while many of those who told the truth were fired or became untouchable in corporate media. These are the ones you should trust, because they have a record of telling the truth. The ones who lied, and continue to lie, should not be trusted. 

They are skillful at manipulating emotions. The Rachel Maddow clip is sort of hilarious, because she speaks so breathlessly -- as if she's telling scary stories around the campfire. She has been telling scary Russia stories for years, and nearly all of them turn out to be false. But that doesn't affect her salary at all. 

A lot of people make money from war. Poor people die. I'm assuming all the macho men on this forum will be signing up soon, because they think it's important to continue the war, and Ukraine is running out of soldiers.

I see a lot of claims. That everybody you disagree with lies is a popular claim on the right. It's usually backed up by nothing but rhetoric, as it is here.

[Belacqua]

Kissinger was a Russian propagandist. 

OK.

You have reading comprehension issues.  I didn't say Kissinger was a Russian propagandist, idiot.  I said Russian propagandists are who would be interested in digging up his words.

Oh, I see what you mean now.

But not only propagandists are interested in what they said. They made accurate predictions and warnings, and we failed to heed them. It's good to learn from history.

[Angrboda]

You have reading comprehension issues.  I didn't say Kissinger was a Russian propagandist, idiot.  I said Russian propagandists are who would be interested in digging up his words.

Oh, I see what you mean now.

But not only propagandists are interested in what they said. They made accurate predictions and warnings, and we failed to heed them. It's good to learn from history.

Thump already asked you for evidence that Europe or the U.S. was trying to bring Ukraine into NATO. Until you present some evidence, then their predictions of such remain unfulfilled. Though it is worth note that Russia has repeatedly pushed the idea that NATO expansion is what triggered and justified the war. Most observers in the West view this as basically false, but you'll still hear it repeated by Russian propagandists and others. Putin and Russia have basically lied from start to finish beginning with the annex of Crimea, the invasion of the Donbas region, and the eventual invasion of Ukraine. None of this was provoked. These have all been wars of opportunity.

On 21 February, Yanukovych and the parliamentary opposition signed an agreement to bring about an interim unity government, constitutional reforms and early elections. Police abandoned central Kyiv that afternoon and the protesters took control. Yanukovych fled the city that evening. The next day, 22 February, the Ukrainian parliament voted to remove Yanukovych from office by 328 to 0 (about 73% of the parliament's 450 members). Yanukovych claimed this vote was illegal and asked Russia for help. Russian propaganda described the events as a "coup".

Pro-Russian, counter-revolutionary protests erupted in southern and eastern Ukraine. Russia occupied and then annexed Crimea, while armed pro-Russian separatists seized government buildings and proclaimed the independent states of Donetsk and Luhansk, sparking the Donbas war.

~ Wikipedia