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Human Nature
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RE: Human Nature
(April 19, 2025 at 4:25 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(April 18, 2025 at 10:51 am)Angrboda Wrote: From my personal experience, atheists like to think themselves more honest and straightforward than other people.

Whether they are is an open question that is not readily resolved by the rather partial accounting that we get online.

Remember Richard Dawkins? He used to be popular with atheists on line. 

He has come out as a transphobe
That's a gross over simplification. 
Quote: and a fan of Elon Musk. 
So is that. 
Quote:So there's at least one atheist in the world who is not on our team.

In general I just think it's a bad idea to emphasize the...In-group vs. out-group, that kind of thing. It leads to overly-easy judgments, 
An irony overload, alongside those sweeping comments about Dawkins. 
Quote:It may well be human nature to divide things up that way, but it's something we can guard against in our thinking. Each individual and each issue has to be taken on its individual merits.

Now that's just comedy gold, given you see unable stop using whataboutism in a thread about Trump.

Got my threads mixed up, my apologies, but it still whataboutism of course .
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Human Nature - by Alan V - April 17, 2025 at 12:56 pm
RE: Human Nature - by arewethereyet - April 17, 2025 at 1:16 pm
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