Human Nature

[Ivan Denisovich]

Perhaps you're right, but perhaps your metrics for good are not representative of the moral field in reality? 

If my metrics for good aren't representative then such metrics are irrelevant. It's like this crap about best possible world invented to make god blame free for all shit in the world he supposedly created. No matter how hard I look I can't see smidgen of evidence for this supposed goodness of human nature. Humans certainly can be good but as far as I am concerned aren't inherently so.

That sounds inaccurate, to me.  A bad actor may be more capable than a good actor, and a good actor is..if they're a moral agent at least, capable of failing. 

So people are so ineffective at doing good that few bad actors are enough to fuck up all their effort? Seems like excuse to me, just like when theists starts trumpeting about free will when some ask why their almighty god does not stop rapists.

I agree with you about the nuts, though...and I think they're voting against their own self interest.  Yet another thing that would be difficult to explain if we really were bad natured little shits.  Wouldn't their self interests be aligned, in that case?

Obviously they're voting against their own interests (as long as we're talking about working and middle class). But why voting so would be difficult to explain if human would be bad by nature? If anything it makes things far simpler - humans are bad so they chose (yes I know it sounds dramatic) evil. Interests of working and middle class people are largely different from interests of millionaires and billionaires and that won't change no matter how despicable people in question will be. Class supersedes morality in this.

Magatism in the us is a product of fear and ignorance.  The fear is well placed, the ignorance is not, and none of it serves man's nature, the moral good, or the utilitarian good.  It's not even an expedient.  Just a terrible mistake...full stop.  Stealing brown peoples houses will not make more houses.  Deporting labor and children will not improve our economy or productivity.  Letting robber barons run roughshod over us will not make us wealthier.  Destroying our environment will not make us more comortable.  Letting criminals loot our institutions will not improve them.  Even out and out racists as single issue voters still want to bake apple pies for their kids under roofs that don't leak in neighborhoods that aren't filled with small arms fire woken up every morning by the sound of an ied and the smell of burning deisel.  Nationalists like myself, former combatants like myself, often end up wanting to put down their rifles and not shoot at anyone anymore...certainly don't want to see our own people get shot, or even worse, shooting each other.  None of this matters to misanthropy...if we love heinous shit then we'd just want more of it....but it matters to me, it matters to us, I think?

I have no idea what you're trying to say but people willingly supporting cruelty and inhumanity certainly aren't evidence of this supposed goodness of human nature. If anything their support for cruelty shows that human nature is anything but good.