Human Nature

[Ivan Denisovich]

Really?  I get things wrong all the time.  I often underestimate difficulty, overestimate results.  When things go sideways...just as often.... I don't think it's because..failing my metrics or my expectations, that any other set of metrics or expectations are then demonstrated to be irrelevant.  

If current state of the world is supposed to be evidence for humans inherent goodness then clearly metrics used are just shit. World with murderous dictators, wars, genocides or pedophile ring disguised as religious organization simply can't be settled by good natured people if these words are to have some meaning.

Here I think we simply don't agree.  I've watched shitty people try to do their worst, fail at that, and accidentally help someone in the process.  I don't know if our wills are meaningfully free...but that happens whether they are or aren't.  Whenever someone opines on human nature or it's balance we're already talking about things we aren't truly free with respect to anyway.  I want to point out again that we don't have to be particularly good at good to be the best at good in an amoral universe full of things which are not moral agents.

I've watched shitty people making lives of others more difficult. Currently I'm seeing Poland racing to the bottom and supposedly good natured people cheering it. In no way, shape or form I will admit that nature of human animal is good or even approaching goodness. All this talk about how we are good despite sucking at it seems to me like christian apologia for their bloodthirsty but supposedly all loving god.

If humans are bad by nature bad outcomes don't even need explanation.  It's just another way of saying the same thing.  If humans are bad by nature, but good things happen...then we need to explain why we are so consistently stymied in our efforts to do our worst.  When was the last time someone barged into your house at O-dark thirty and shoved your granny's face into your bare earth floor with their well oiled boot over a bundle of contraband sticks?

Has it been more than 15 minutes?  Why?  Are we slacking?  Is there no one around with boots and oil..do you not have a granny...do you possess a floor made out of something other than dirt..is contraband hard to come by?

Humans aren't bad by nature. Simple as that. It ain't children story - not being good does not automatically mean being bad. Also police and courts exists and thus consequences for acting like shit.