(April 28, 2025 at 11:57 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Right, and it's not a novel observation. One that only you and I, or the west, or any other group of people have exclusively made. Poor outcomes are not a great marker for human nature because we understand that outcomes do not necessarily depend on our natures. There may only be poor outcomes to a given situation, the good outcomes may be comparatively difficult to achieve when they exist, and may even be made manifest through exactly the same means as might produce a bad one at equal or even greater rates.
That's not a human nature problem, it's the realization that situations do no always start at neutral or naturally proceed toward good, and that human effort and intent is not always enough to tip them one way or the other.
Right. Setting aside human proclivity for horseshit, the fact is that even when want to do right, we don't and often cannot control circumstances which cause a shitshow.
Not to say we're inherently decent or indecent -- and I don't think most people honestly care so long as they got their own -- but even when we aim for the best, it still turns into a shitshow.
Sometimes I think our worst inclinations are hampered too by our incompetence.