(April 28, 2025 at 11:28 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If we were naturally good there would be no prisons. If we were naturally good there would be no addiction. If we were naturally good there would be no infidelity. If we were naturally good there would be no word for lies.
More examples of statements I would say were even less than wrong.
It might be that these statements are less than wrong but it's you who made them. Hardly my fault that you write something facile.
Quote: Being wrong-in-fact is, as it happens, one of the major ways I believe that we're fundamentally compromised moral agents. Not just in our behaviors, but in how we think about morality and how we construct our moral demands and appraisals. Granted, this has to do with my view that morality is fact alike...but if it isn't, then people aren't really morally good, or morally bad..none of these things we're discussing is actually bad...it's just against some opinion or some counties rules.
I think that people are product of their circumstances and since circumstances of most are not great it follows that people aren't too. As for human nature I disagree with goodness of it but mostly I see it as a vehicle for flawed arguments. Human nature is just some reductive crap with explanatory power of God did it.
The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.
Mikhail Bakunin.
Mikhail Bakunin.