(May 3, 2025 at 12:08 am)Ivan Denisovich Wrote:(May 2, 2025 at 11:18 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Of course not, in most cases. But they are tolerated even in the absence of elections, until a polity decides that "this is bullshit". I saw that exact thing happen in Iran in 1978, where an autocrat who was happy to kills thousands to preserve his power was all the same chucked out of office.
No government can survive when the body politic is fed up. Louis XVI, Tsar, Shah, the Soviet Union, all terrible regimes, all overthrown either by the people themselves or by a military that responded to public opinion.
If I recall correctly it was food that played big role in overthrowing Louis XVI and Tsar. It would indicate that people are willing to tolerate much as long as they're fed. Other than that I imagine populace reason for not standing up to tyranny are as varied as populaces itself.
Sure, but my point was, and is, that while they may not have voted for the Head Asshole in Charge, the people have power to take them down once this or that line is crossed. It's not about voting, it's about tolerating. And sooner or later any people will get sick of it.
One of the wiser lines in our American Declaration of Independence is "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed". Whether that arises from a vote, or subservience and refusal to rise up, makes no difference. At some point or other the people will make their will known, by ballot or by bullet.