(January 4, 2012 at 9:03 am)Shell B Wrote:(January 4, 2012 at 3:14 am)Godschild Wrote: I was not saying that it was and was not a sacrifice, what I meant Jesus willingly gave himself as a sacrifice for the salvation of man. This was not something Christ had to do it was something he accepted (being a sacrifice) to save the people he created. Hope this clears things up.
*sigh* So, it was a sacrifice. The first one implies that it was a willing sacrifice. The second option says it was not a sacrifice at all because he was willing. Hope that clears things up.
(January 4, 2012 at 4:02 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Right, thanks for that GC.
Here's my correction:
Jesus' [willing] sacrifice to god so man so that man would have to sacrifice no more and to therefore cleanse[ing] the sins of humanity.
The first option does not say it was not willing. Good grief. I should never have tried for a straight answer from Christians. No offense, but you guys are a bunch of smoke talkers.
The thing is your second option made the first option seem like it was not a willing sacrifice, we wanted to make sure everyone understood that Christ was willing. No a human was not sacrificed, Christ was the only perfect man and this is an important part of Christianity also, Christ was God in human flesh, Christ being fully human and fully God made him no ordinary human. Not trying to be a smoke talker, adding important details.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.