The Issue of Migration

[Deesse23]

@Leonardo17 There is much wrong, and so many wrong conclusions (although some things are correct) that i need to adress this, now that i am not on my mobile phone but on my PC

In the meantime, i read the DW article you are referring to myself, and i can say with confidence that you read what you wanted to read from it rather than what i really tried to address.

Your take: Germany makes highly educated Turks leave Turkey, and the remaining stupid people are responsible for Turkeys bad economical, political and humanitarian situation.
DW article: The other way around. Turkeys abysmal situation makes more and more educated Turks leave (i will come to this later, since DW addresses a "real" issue imho), and making use of german dual citizenship.

Here is the evidence that you indeed have this (wrong) position. Correct me if i read something wrong here.

So I am not saying that borders should not exist. But “liberal” governments would not have allowed any migrant workforce in any country if there was not an obvious need for this workforce in any and all of these countries.
 
Also: The 22,000 naturalized Turkish workforce in Germany are almost entirely qualified workforce (doctors, engineers, or people with a University degree in areas that are needed by the German economy).

In fact my point is that these waves of migration are unfair to countries of origins with all the smart people leaving and all the dumbasses left behind who constantly vote for political İslamist or other populist political parties.
 
Which is why most of these migrants want to keep their Turkish pass. Just to come back and vote whenever there are elections in the country.

Considering that both, Turkey and Germany, have ca. 80mio people, what (major) effect should 20.000 Turks leaving each year (since 2015, see below) have on both countries? So, what "waves" are you talking about? This alone should have raised some flags for you regarding your (correct) understanding of what DW wanted to address.
If those who leave Turkey but keep their passport to vote are so many, this should not affect the outcome of elections, which is also contrary to your original point.

No, what DW wanted to address is this:
Since 2015 (grand coalition) a dual citizenship was introduced and the "waiting time" reduced to 3y*. Then some highly educated Turks with this dual citizenship were interviewed on their motivations and experiences (this may have been selective, see below).
The interviewees said that they took the german citizenship mostly for various practical reasons. One of them even stated that he kept turkish citizenship on purpose to still be able to vote, thereby completely shooting down your "argument"/understanding of the article that only the "dumb" people left back in Turkey are voting and are responsible for Turkeys current situation.
Sidenote: The 3mio Turks in Germany, they didnt come here in the past few years, they came as early as the mid 60s (they are actually the grandchildren of those who came here, ok, but my point still stands: The "wave" of turkish immigration happened in the 60s not in the 2010s). If you were right, Turkeys situation should have changed to what it is now by the mid 70s already, which it absolutely didnt.

What i find potentially problematic in the context of dual citizenship are expressions like "i am german on paper only" and other quotes making it clear that the person really only wants to have a german passport for "utility". I have no issues with dual citizenship, particularly for people with mixed background, or those who want to go on that road for them and their family. However, i am skeptical if its the right thing to grant people citizenship who have no intention at all to identify with the associated country/nationality, who only are looking for the "utility" of a passport. Thats something id like to discuss here.

Link to Article

Many other groups can be added to that. But the part of ethnic Germans is still at 75%. In comparison only 2,2 percent of the population are of foreign origin.

When talking about ethnicity (in Germany) you have to understand one important distinction:
German citizens with a foreign background and Foreigners (who are NOT german citizens) should not be mixed up. 75% of all people in Germany are ethnic Germans. 25% obviously arent. Half of those 25% are "foreigners" without citizenship and the other half do have Germany citizenship.
By the way, the term "migration background" has a pretty clear definition in official german statistics:

According to the definition of the Federal Statistical Office, a person has a migration background if he or she or at least one parent does not have German citizenship by birth

The Number of Germans with Turkish roots is estimated to be around 3,000,000. The number of Syrians is close to one million. The Number of Ukrainians is about 1,2 million. The Number of Russians and Poles is also about 1 million each.

According to a 2023 microcensus:

Most of the 24.9 million people with a migration background in 2023 came from Turkey (11.7 percent/2.9 million), followed by Poland (8.8 percent/2.2 million), Russia (5.4 percent/1.4 million), and Romania (4.6 percent/1.1 million). Kazakhstan and Syria are the most important non-European countries of origin, with shares of 5.3 and 5.1 percent (1.3 million each), respectively (always based on the country of birth or the country of birth of the parents). The proportion of people originating from Ukraine among all people with a migration background increased from 1.4 to 4.2 percent between 2021 and 2023, with their number rising from around 300,000 to just over one million.

The numbers of foreigners, witout german passport, are significantly different: Much less Russians (duh, most probably the 300k i mentioned earlier), many more Ukrainians and Syrians (duh).

Percentages of non-german ethnicity with (left) and without (right) german passport, of total number of non-german ethnicity in Germany .



AfD/Xenophopes:

So this is seen as a problem by some. Especially if you are poor. There are people in Germany who are homeless, are looking for the cheapest way to buy groceries, are living with money that is given to them by the government (because they are unable or unwilling to work etc.).
 
So the populist drive that feeds on the social conflict is not just empty words. It is understandable that people in developed nations are becoming increasingly wary of these movements of population.

This is evidently not true for Germany. Xenophobia (and thus voting for AfD for example) is much more prevalent in Eastern Germany than in the West, although:

In 2023, one in three people in West Germany had a migration background, while in East Germany this applied to one in nine people (32.9 and 11.4 percent respectively).

Clearly poverty does not seem to play the leading role but gender and FEAR of foreigners in the ABSENCE of them (what a fucking surprise). I have to admit tho that overall, the AfD has disproportionally high voting numbers amongst the unemployed and workers. It also has the lowest percentage (of all parties) of women being a member of this party: 20%.
Obviously fear of movement of foreign populations is prevalent where there arent many foreigners**, indicating that those who are scared are living in the past, are scared of the reality as it already is everywhere else. They are living in areas with LESS foreigners, blaming those foreigners for their own sub-par economic situation, while in those areas with a disproportionally HIGH numbers of foreigners the economic situation is above average (duh). Ergo: Poverty is playing a subordinate role in this imho.


* Merz put back the waiting time to 8y just last Month

** and more prevalent with men (15% above average voters for men, 15% below average for women), indicating some...."being male" issue rather than an external, real one