Maybe controversial - Religion IS bad, but.....

[Sandman]

You said: "Selfish Atheists"

Right, because that's a pretty widespread trope.

You say I made some selfish atheist trope? Where? Saying atheists could do better at charity does not necessarily imply selfishness.

You didn't write the words "selfish atheist", but you certainly appealed to that in your unsupported claim. That is the essence of "trope" -- appealing to a commonly-held though perhaps wrong idea.

You said: "Here's an example of AI making a video presentation on the B-29 bomber of WWII era. It'll be plain why I don't trust or use AI:

Sorry, I reviewed the video 5 times. I heard it flub a word once.

Great. Now go google a plain picture of a B-29, and see where your prized AI has screwed up. Or maybe just look at the images in the video. Do propellers come out of engine nacelles? Do the engines on a B-29 have three or four propellers? Do some have three and some have four? Does the B-29 have a stepped cockpit?

You see, when you don't know the details of the task you're assigning to AI, you cannot know when that AI gets it wrong. You're strapped into its errors.

In an effort to try and help you out, I will provide this video, entirely produced by a human, about the B-29.

I'm pretty tired, so maybe that is why I didn't catch what was supposed to be obvious. I've heard AI can sometimes have trouble making a video.

Or you might simply acknowledge that AI makes mistakes and trusting it is not smart.

I guess I can get you info. you want after I've rested.

Just type the name of the website. How tiresome is that? You're acting like I'm asking you to go down to the archives and mail me copies of the documents. I'm not. Just type the name of the website.

First, you say "selfish atheist" is a commonly held, idea/trope that is maybe wrong. So my claim is, what? Prejudiced or invalid? Not worth listening to? I've listened to plenty of people, address atheism, argue it. Maybe once or twice have I heard the 'selfish atheist' term said and I'm not even sure about that. You say I have an unsupported Atheism claim. Please do support your claim that 'selfish atheist' is a commonly held idea. Considering your high standards for evidence, I expect I will be impressed and enlightened.

Btw, the above response is me supporting my claim.

Regarding AI:

1. A limited number of minor, technical errors in a video or document, does not automatically invalidate the entirety of it.
    Human made documents can contain typos that do not invalidate the document. The video does not demonstrate your otherwise valid point.
2. You only use human made evidence? Do I need to delve into the problems of human error?
3. It's true that the way an AI comes to it's results is obscure, and problematic. There are ways to check its results.
    When asked, the AI I use provides links to human sources, which you prize, to support it's results.
    I use the links, though not always. Certainly should use them more.


My statements, which you asked evidence for:


1) According to a 2022 Survey 63 percent of all food banks were religious.

The website is BMC Public Health.

The research report is titled "A descriptive analysis of food pantries in twelve American states: hours of operation, faith-based affiliation, and location"


2) Additionally, in the states surveyed, half of the religious congregations gave time and money to both christian and secular food banks.


Okay, I followed the AI generated link and got an article:

The website is: The Conversation

The Article is: "Nearly half of all churches and other faith institutions help people get enough to eat"
        The research this article references is behind multiple paywalls.

If I had followed this link, I would have not made statement 2. so I definitely got that wrong. My bad. I should have followed the link first. Even so,


The AI also provided examples like the Los Angeles Regional Food Bank. A search of that site reveals multiple churches that support the organization.