(January 4, 2012 at 4:05 pm)Shell B Wrote: It doesn't matter if you think he was "perfect." He was still a man. It also doesn't matter if he was willing. If you think it was a sacrifice, willing or not, pick one. Duh.
I can not pick an option that is semi correct, and I do not believe you would either, read many of your posts and you can be a stickler for facts. Know I will try and explain, please bear with me. Jesus made this decision before creation, this was not an idea thought up by God on the fly. The omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent God described in scriptures would and did have a plan in place and Jesus being part of the Godhead accepted that he would be the sacrifice to redeem mankind. Also, God required that man bring before him the most perfect lambs for a sacrifice but, being an imperfect world the lambs were imperfect as well and so the sacrifice was limited. Now this is where Jesus comes in, being not of this world (righteous) he could and was the perfect sacrifice thus, he was an unlimited sacrifice and covered the sins of all mankind. This is why it is important to me that Jesus was willing and perfect for without either one his death would have been meaningless. Shell B I do understand what you're saying about voting and I'm trying to explain why I can't, your 1st option does not represent the Christ I believe in. I will say this, Jesus was fully human, he also was fully God,and in that there was no human sacrifice made.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
