Christians: A Question

[Shell B]

I eat animals most days. that isn't anything to do with sacrufice. Neither was the killing of Jesus to any of the humans present. Sacrifices of any kind are a payment.... you offer the payment so that you might get let off the debt. If no one is doing any offerring then 'sacrifice' doesn't factor.

Um, wasn't Jesus doing the offering? How was killing an animal, cooking it and then eating it offering payment to anything other than your belly?

You seem now to be diversifying into ridicule. But just in case you're serious, I'll try to help again.

I'm not. I am telling you precisely how I see all of this.

God made the sacrifice because only he could. Only he can make such a far reaching gesture that fully covers every eventuality. The perfect insurance policy. That's how you get to claim the ultimate pay back.

That really has nothing to do with it, though. This is very simple and it is being convoluted. Jesus was a man. He was sacrificed for our sins. Correct? That is all we are trying to establish.

The triune God didn't sacrifice the triune God, he sacrificed an aspect of himself designed specifically for this purpose. Jesus doesn't carry on minus the storyline. It's inherant to his character that only needed to play out that story once and be done with it.

Still has absolutely nothing with what I am trying to establish here. That is where I am having a problem. I'm honestly starting to feel like some Christians are incapable of giving an answer to a direct question. Instead, we always delve into the nature of god. I'm not asking about any god's nature or how lowly gc thinks animals are. I am trying to establish if Jesus was a man and a sacrifice. It could not be simpler.

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Shell: God didn't sacrifice "himself" to himself. His sacrifice himself to us.

Ugh. I didn't say that.

Even if he sacrificed a part of himself for us, which is kind of stupid because he could have just cleansed sin without doing all of that, he still okayed a human sacrifice. Still, Jesus never said he was god, if I remember correctly. He is referred to in the Bible as the son of god. Christians rationalized the rest of the god nonsense.

"For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus"

Timothy 2:5