(January 5, 2012 at 7:18 pm)Shell B Wrote:What offerring? Sorry (don't understand). It wasn't (anything other than feeding my belly). Exactly. Therefore it wasn't a sacrifice. (Sorry again if that seems ... I'm not trying to be evasive).Quote:I eat animals most days. that isn't anything to do with sacrufice. Neither was the killing of Jesus to any of the humans present. Sacrifices of any kind are a payment.... you offer the payment so that you might get let off the debt. If no one is doing any offerring then 'sacrifice' doesn't factor.
Um, wasn't Jesus doing the offering? How was killing an animal, cooking it and then eating it offering payment to anything other than your belly?
(January 5, 2012 at 7:18 pm)Shell B Wrote:Quote:You seem now to be diversifying into ridicule. But just in case you're serious, I'll try to help again.
I'm not. I am telling you precisely how I see all of this.
Ok, good. Thanks.
(January 5, 2012 at 7:18 pm)Shell B Wrote:Quote:God made the sacrifice because only he could. Only he can make such a far reaching gesture that fully covers every eventuality. The perfect insurance policy. That's how you get to claim the ultimate pay back.
That really has nothing to do with it, though. This is very simple and it is being convoluted. Jesus was a man. He was sacrificed for our sins. Correct? That is all we are trying to establish.
I'm sorry again. I'm trying to answer directly what you say. You said you didn't get why it was a sacrifice so I tried to answer that.
He was sacrificed for our sins. Yes. He was a man. Yes. If you are saying that God condones human sacrifice then that's a 'no'. Because as pointed out by Pad: this is a unique case so can't be applied to humankind... just Jesus who was fully man and fully God. God condones Jesus (human/God) sacrifice. Sure. Here's an example.
(January 5, 2012 at 7:18 pm)Shell B Wrote: I am trying to establish if Jesus was a man and a sacrifice. It could not be simpler.You cant stray away from the precise understanding that you're addressing. You can't change God AND man (Jesus) into man minus God (not Jesus). Jesus was man and God and a sacrifice. There's no reduction from that I'm afraid.
(January 5, 2012 at 7:18 pm)Shell B Wrote: "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus"Precisely. The function of the person of Jesus Christ as the purpose of redemption.
Timothy 2:5
