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Poll: What Was Jesus' Sacrifice?
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Jesus' sacrifice to god so man would have to sacrifice no more and to cleanse the sins of humanity.
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2 66.67%
Not a sacrifice at all. It was a willing death to clean sins.
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I don't know.
33.33%
1 33.33%
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Christians: A Question
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RE: Christians: A Question
No one has claimed straw man. You refuse because the fallacy is not there dreaming.

Stimbo: you "know" fireflies exist? Yet you have never seen them. I have never seen Bigfoot, but I have seen evidence of it's existence. Does that make it real in your opinion? I would doubt you want to take your line of argument to that extreme, but that extreme is the logical conclusion.

The fact that someone told you that a gritty remake of lost in space starring the original cast would make you aware of it. Yes. Given no other evidence you are still forced to believe in the possibility of that reality simply because you are aware of the idea. The idea is true regardless of the statements validity. Whether or not the remake was real would have nothing to do with your believing, disbelieving, or being unsure of the statements truth. The statements validity is true or not regardless of your belief, and regardless of whether or not you spent your entire life searching for corroborating evidence to verify the statement. You could in fact spend your every waking moment searching for evidence of the remake and find nothing. That would not mean that the statement was false and that such a remake did not exist. The only thing you could be certain of in that case is that you found no corroborating evidence besides the initial statement.

Reality is not dictated by beliefs. Things exist or don't regardless of whether we believe in them, and regardless of whether or not we are even aware of them. If you had never heard of and were never in anyway introduced to the idea of fireflies they would still exist.
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Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 2, 2012 at 11:58 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 2, 2012 at 2:20 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Cinjin - January 2, 2012 at 2:42 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 2, 2012 at 6:52 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Anomalocaris - January 3, 2012 at 1:04 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 2, 2012 at 7:07 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 2, 2012 at 7:39 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 2, 2012 at 7:41 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by reverendjeremiah - January 2, 2012 at 8:23 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 2, 2012 at 8:30 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by padraic - January 2, 2012 at 10:12 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 2, 2012 at 10:14 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 2, 2012 at 10:36 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 2, 2012 at 10:56 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 2, 2012 at 11:07 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 3, 2012 at 7:39 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 3, 2012 at 8:54 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 3, 2012 at 9:20 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 3, 2012 at 3:43 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Cinjin - January 3, 2012 at 2:53 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 3, 2012 at 3:51 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by padraic - January 3, 2012 at 5:08 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 4, 2012 at 3:14 am
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 4, 2012 at 2:23 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 4, 2012 at 8:15 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 5, 2012 at 9:50 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Faith No More - January 5, 2012 at 9:55 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 5, 2012 at 10:12 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 5, 2012 at 2:05 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 5, 2012 at 7:18 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 6, 2012 at 3:01 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by padraic - January 5, 2012 at 6:23 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 5, 2012 at 6:47 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 5, 2012 at 7:50 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 5, 2012 at 8:02 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Napoléon - January 5, 2012 at 9:14 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 5, 2012 at 10:09 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 5, 2012 at 11:44 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 6, 2012 at 1:14 am
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Cyberman - January 5, 2012 at 11:59 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by KichigaiNeko - January 6, 2012 at 12:15 am
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RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 6, 2012 at 1:21 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 6, 2012 at 1:23 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Cyberman - January 6, 2012 at 1:27 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 6, 2012 at 1:29 am
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 6, 2012 at 1:53 am
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 6, 2012 at 7:33 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 6, 2012 at 8:49 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 6, 2012 at 3:13 am
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Faith No More - January 6, 2012 at 6:49 am
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 6, 2012 at 11:56 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Faith No More - January 6, 2012 at 6:24 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 6, 2012 at 7:03 am
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RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 6, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 6, 2012 at 1:24 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 6, 2012 at 12:19 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 6, 2012 at 1:11 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 8, 2012 at 5:44 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 8, 2012 at 10:28 pm
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