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Poll: What Was Jesus' Sacrifice?
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Jesus' sacrifice to god so man would have to sacrifice no more and to cleanse the sins of humanity.
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2 66.67%
Not a sacrifice at all. It was a willing death to clean sins.
0%
0 0%
I don't know.
33.33%
1 33.33%
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Christians: A Question
RE: Christians: A Question
Furthermore, if you agree with the last paragraph, the one that starts, "reality is not dictated by beliefs" you believe that reality exists independently of our ideas about it. All of scientific reality is based on perceptions of consciousness. If you believe that reality exists apart from our ideas of it you necessarily must believe that perceptions of consciousness are real you necessarily must believe that consciousness is real. If consciousness is real it exists apart from our ideas of what consciousness is.

The only things science believe to be real apart from their observations of or ideas about what they are are universal constants such as gravity.

If consciousness exists apart from our ideas of it must therefore be a universal constant.

Consciousness as a universal constant could be correctly called a belief in God.
Sorry for hijacking. Stimbo and I were the only ones discussing anything and we got off topic. I actually was quite intrigued by the original topic but people seemed to lose interest.
Stimbo I don't think I know what Firefly is.
Were you referring to the tv series? I just googled it and that is what came up.
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Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 2, 2012 at 11:58 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 2, 2012 at 2:20 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Cinjin - January 2, 2012 at 2:42 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 2, 2012 at 6:52 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 2, 2012 at 6:59 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Anomalocaris - January 3, 2012 at 1:04 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 2, 2012 at 7:07 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Cyberman - January 2, 2012 at 7:11 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 2, 2012 at 7:41 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by reverendjeremiah - January 2, 2012 at 8:23 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 2, 2012 at 8:30 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 2, 2012 at 8:44 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by padraic - January 2, 2012 at 10:12 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 2, 2012 at 10:14 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 2, 2012 at 10:36 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 2, 2012 at 10:56 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 2, 2012 at 11:07 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 3, 2012 at 7:39 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 3, 2012 at 8:54 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 3, 2012 at 9:20 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 3, 2012 at 3:43 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Cinjin - January 3, 2012 at 12:27 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 3, 2012 at 3:51 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by padraic - January 3, 2012 at 5:08 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Anomalocaris - January 4, 2012 at 3:27 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 3, 2012 at 5:10 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 4, 2012 at 9:03 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 4, 2012 at 2:23 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Cinjin - January 4, 2012 at 4:35 am
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 4, 2012 at 8:15 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 5, 2012 at 9:50 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Faith No More - January 5, 2012 at 9:55 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 5, 2012 at 10:12 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 5, 2012 at 2:05 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 5, 2012 at 5:59 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 5, 2012 at 7:18 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 5, 2012 at 3:43 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 5, 2012 at 4:24 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 6, 2012 at 3:01 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by padraic - January 5, 2012 at 6:23 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 5, 2012 at 6:47 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 5, 2012 at 6:51 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 5, 2012 at 7:15 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 5, 2012 at 7:36 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Anomalocaris - January 5, 2012 at 7:30 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 5, 2012 at 7:48 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 5, 2012 at 7:52 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 5, 2012 at 7:50 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 5, 2012 at 8:02 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 5, 2012 at 8:06 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 5, 2012 at 8:11 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Napoléon - January 5, 2012 at 9:14 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 5, 2012 at 10:09 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 5, 2012 at 11:44 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 6, 2012 at 1:14 am
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Cyberman - January 5, 2012 at 11:59 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by KichigaiNeko - January 6, 2012 at 12:15 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 6, 2012 at 12:20 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by KichigaiNeko - January 6, 2012 at 12:23 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 6, 2012 at 12:28 am
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RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 6, 2012 at 12:31 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Cyberman - January 6, 2012 at 12:35 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 6, 2012 at 12:35 am
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RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 6, 2012 at 1:21 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 6, 2012 at 1:23 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Cyberman - January 6, 2012 at 1:27 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 6, 2012 at 1:29 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 6, 2012 at 1:50 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 6, 2012 at 1:53 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 6, 2012 at 1:54 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by KichigaiNeko - January 6, 2012 at 1:56 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Cyberman - January 6, 2012 at 2:04 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 6, 2012 at 2:10 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 6, 2012 at 7:33 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 6, 2012 at 8:49 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 6, 2012 at 3:13 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 6, 2012 at 11:51 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by KichigaiNeko - January 6, 2012 at 3:23 am
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Zen Badger - January 6, 2012 at 8:45 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Faith No More - January 6, 2012 at 6:49 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 6, 2012 at 6:55 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 6, 2012 at 11:56 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Faith No More - January 6, 2012 at 6:24 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by KichigaiNeko - January 6, 2012 at 6:56 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 6, 2012 at 7:03 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by KichigaiNeko - January 6, 2012 at 7:42 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by LastPoet - January 6, 2012 at 9:30 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 6, 2012 at 9:51 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 6, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 6, 2012 at 1:24 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 6, 2012 at 12:13 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 6, 2012 at 1:11 pm
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RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 8, 2012 at 5:44 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 8, 2012 at 5:51 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 8, 2012 at 10:28 pm
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