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Poll: What Was Jesus' Sacrifice?
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Jesus' sacrifice to god so man would have to sacrifice no more and to cleanse the sins of humanity.
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2 66.67%
Not a sacrifice at all. It was a willing death to clean sins.
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I don't know.
33.33%
1 33.33%
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Christians: A Question
RE: Christians: A Question
(January 5, 2012 at 4:24 pm)Shell B Wrote: "Imperfect animals?" I'm a little grossed out by your beliefs. I am not going to lie. I am starting to think Christianity is a belief structure that is irredeemable in the majority of people. A scant few of you admit that the Bible is probably wrong due to translation and time. The rest of you will jump through hoops trying to justify what is absolutely ridiculous. Imperfect animals? Ha! Nothing is perfect, but the way you said that just reeks of a superiority complex. Since you can't find an excuse to be superior in reality, you turn to the bible. I think I need a break from talking about Christianity. Nothing makes me more anxious or depressed and yet I pursue these idiotic quests for understanding only to find that I am never going to get a single straight answer from a Christian -- even the ones I love or like.

Shell sorry if that grossed you out it was not intended. No, by no means do I have a superiority complex that in itself goes against christian beliefs. All I'm trying to do is help you to understand that animal sacrifices were not the perfect solution to man's sin, animal sacrifices were only a temporary patch, so to speak. I read through more of the post you and Fr0d0 put up, you still want to believe that Jesus was just a man and that by his sacrifice God condones the sacrifice of humans and the answer has to be no. Jesus was man as far as having a body of flesh, Jesus was God because he was totally righteous, something no man could ever accomplish. If I need to look it up in the OT I will, God punished the Israelite nation because that had become a practice for some of them, they sacrificed children to other gods and God was furious with them over such little value of human life. I hope that clears up God condoning human sacrifice. I also believe that God would have never allowed man to sacrifice his Son, the only purpose man had in the sacrifice of Jesus is God used the evil hearts of the Israelite religious leaders to accomplish his will. What I mean by, his will, the redemption of mankind. God took no pleasure in sacrificing Jesus. I hope this makes sense, the flood was a way in which God tried to get man set back on a right path but, as we know from the story that did not work either, God knew this would be the case but he gave man another chance to get things right, if man did not get it right there was a terrible price to be payed and that would come in two forms. First God would have to sacrifice his beloved Son for man's sin and second man's non acceptance of his Son would cost man a terrible price. God would have preferred that neither would be necessary but he knew ultimately that both would become reality.
(January 6, 2012 at 1:54 am)fr0d0 Wrote: HIJACKED!!!

Agree.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 2, 2012 at 11:58 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 2, 2012 at 2:20 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Cinjin - January 2, 2012 at 2:42 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by padraic - January 2, 2012 at 6:44 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 2, 2012 at 6:52 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 2, 2012 at 6:59 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Anomalocaris - January 3, 2012 at 1:04 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 2, 2012 at 7:07 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Cyberman - January 2, 2012 at 7:11 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 2, 2012 at 7:39 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 2, 2012 at 7:41 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by reverendjeremiah - January 2, 2012 at 8:23 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 2, 2012 at 8:30 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 2, 2012 at 8:44 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 2, 2012 at 8:49 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by padraic - January 2, 2012 at 10:12 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 2, 2012 at 10:14 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 2, 2012 at 10:36 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 2, 2012 at 10:56 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 2, 2012 at 11:07 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 3, 2012 at 7:39 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 3, 2012 at 8:54 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 3, 2012 at 9:20 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 3, 2012 at 3:43 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Cinjin - January 3, 2012 at 12:27 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Cinjin - January 3, 2012 at 2:53 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 3, 2012 at 3:51 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by padraic - January 3, 2012 at 5:08 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Anomalocaris - January 4, 2012 at 3:27 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 3, 2012 at 5:10 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 4, 2012 at 3:14 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 4, 2012 at 9:03 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 4, 2012 at 2:23 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 4, 2012 at 4:06 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 4, 2012 at 7:14 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Norfolk And Chance - January 4, 2012 at 6:53 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 4, 2012 at 4:02 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Cinjin - January 4, 2012 at 4:35 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by KichigaiNeko - January 4, 2012 at 9:06 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 4, 2012 at 9:09 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by frankiej - January 4, 2012 at 2:28 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 4, 2012 at 2:32 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 4, 2012 at 4:05 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 5, 2012 at 4:05 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by kılıç_mehmet - January 4, 2012 at 5:15 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 4, 2012 at 7:21 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Norfolk And Chance - January 4, 2012 at 7:36 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 4, 2012 at 7:23 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 4, 2012 at 7:25 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 4, 2012 at 7:44 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 4, 2012 at 8:15 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 4, 2012 at 8:23 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 5, 2012 at 4:10 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 5, 2012 at 9:50 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Faith No More - January 5, 2012 at 9:55 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 5, 2012 at 10:12 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 5, 2012 at 2:05 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 5, 2012 at 2:15 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 5, 2012 at 3:26 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 5, 2012 at 5:59 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 5, 2012 at 7:18 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 5, 2012 at 7:55 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 5, 2012 at 3:43 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 5, 2012 at 4:24 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 6, 2012 at 3:01 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by padraic - January 5, 2012 at 6:23 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 5, 2012 at 6:47 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 5, 2012 at 6:51 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 5, 2012 at 7:15 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 5, 2012 at 7:26 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 5, 2012 at 7:36 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Anomalocaris - January 5, 2012 at 7:30 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 5, 2012 at 7:48 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 5, 2012 at 7:52 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 5, 2012 at 7:50 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 5, 2012 at 8:02 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 5, 2012 at 8:06 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 5, 2012 at 8:11 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 5, 2012 at 9:11 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Napoléon - January 5, 2012 at 8:15 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 5, 2012 at 8:53 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Napoléon - January 5, 2012 at 9:14 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 5, 2012 at 10:09 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 5, 2012 at 11:44 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 6, 2012 at 1:14 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Napoléon - January 6, 2012 at 11:53 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Cyberman - January 5, 2012 at 11:59 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by KichigaiNeko - January 6, 2012 at 12:15 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 6, 2012 at 12:20 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by KichigaiNeko - January 6, 2012 at 12:23 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 6, 2012 at 12:28 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by KichigaiNeko - January 6, 2012 at 12:30 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 6, 2012 at 12:31 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Cyberman - January 6, 2012 at 12:35 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 6, 2012 at 12:35 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 6, 2012 at 12:58 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 6, 2012 at 1:21 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 6, 2012 at 1:23 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Cyberman - January 6, 2012 at 1:27 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 6, 2012 at 1:29 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 6, 2012 at 1:50 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 6, 2012 at 1:53 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 6, 2012 at 1:54 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by KichigaiNeko - January 6, 2012 at 1:56 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Cyberman - January 6, 2012 at 2:04 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 6, 2012 at 2:10 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 6, 2012 at 7:33 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 6, 2012 at 8:49 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 6, 2012 at 3:13 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 6, 2012 at 11:51 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by KichigaiNeko - January 6, 2012 at 3:23 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by coffeeveritas - January 6, 2012 at 4:18 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Zen Badger - January 6, 2012 at 8:45 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Faith No More - January 6, 2012 at 6:49 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 6, 2012 at 6:55 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 6, 2012 at 11:56 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Faith No More - January 6, 2012 at 6:24 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by KichigaiNeko - January 6, 2012 at 6:56 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Jackalope - January 6, 2012 at 7:03 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by KichigaiNeko - January 6, 2012 at 7:42 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by LastPoet - January 6, 2012 at 9:30 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 6, 2012 at 9:51 am
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 6, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 6, 2012 at 1:24 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by amkerman - January 6, 2012 at 12:13 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 6, 2012 at 12:19 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Minimalist - January 6, 2012 at 1:11 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 6, 2012 at 1:47 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 6, 2012 at 2:40 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by fr0d0 - January 8, 2012 at 5:44 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Shell B - January 8, 2012 at 5:51 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Godschild - January 8, 2012 at 10:28 pm
RE: Christians: A Question - by Welsh cake - January 6, 2012 at 6:30 pm

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