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Poll: What Was Jesus' Sacrifice?
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Jesus' sacrifice to god so man would have to sacrifice no more and to cleanse the sins of humanity.
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2 66.67%
Not a sacrifice at all. It was a willing death to clean sins.
0%
0 0%
I don't know.
33.33%
1 33.33%
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Christians: A Question
RE: Christians: A Question
(January 6, 2012 at 2:10 am)amkerman Wrote: I actually was quite intrigued by the original topic but people seemed to lose interest.

No they didn't, you asshat. I was still discussing it with Frodo and GC. Just because the thread wasn't filled with your particular brand of nucking futs does not mean it was not interesting to those of us invested in the conversation. If you want to talk about your lack of a dictionary, go make another fucking thread.

(January 6, 2012 at 4:18 am)coffeeveritas Wrote: If you look at the theological literature there are a number of ways of looking at it. Typically you see something along the lines of Jesus willingly suffering death in order to effect some sort of change in the fate of humanity because of the "joy set before him" and because there is, "no greater love than to lay down your life for a friend." (Two verses usually used to describe the reason.) Academically speaking the most honest answer would be something akin to, "don't know" since there are such a variety of opinions in modern theology. The only real consensus is that Jesus acted voluntarily and with love in order to restore something amiss with creation. Beyond that there are an infinite number of metaphors people use to describe it and conclusions drawn from it. The use of the word "sacrafice" isn't even agreed upon. There's a great deal of subtlety in the various positions, I feel I could be more helpful if you were more specific about what it is you wanted to know. I know I'm being a tad vague here but asking a theologian that question is like asking, "what is the meaning of everything?" It is a very good question though.

That was the most honest answer I have got so far. In other words, the Bible says whatever one wants it to say.

I only wanted to know if it was a sacrifice, willing or not. If yes, then it must be concluded that it was a human sacrifice, as the Bible clearly states that Jesus was a man.
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