More protests Against The Theocratic Regime in Iran

[Leonardo17]

GrandNudger:
 

“The Original Meaning™ of these texts is even more barbaric and shitty than the modern interpretations you still see as broken.  What you're doing here is creating a fantasy of a past religion to vouch for your current religious beliefs, while calling the people who hold to those religious beliefs you would discard -for religious reasons- literal untermensch as an explanation for why they hold them.  Their fucking energy levels are low, lol.  Are you selling spirituality or testosterone supplements here?  Think about it.”

 
- Yes, this is also true. Many atheists are reading religious scriptures more than most of us do. The Bible and the Quran are full of violent stories, bitterness, scary declaration and some humbo-Jumbo stories that are annoying at best and deeply disturbing in other cases.
 
Think of the parts of the new-testament about the end of days. It is 10 time’s worse than the “IT” movie (1990) + adults seemed to enjoy themselves telling us such scary stories about things like the antichrist and the things they would do to us once we land in hell in the afterlife.
 
So some people are accepting these approaches. Which is why they will attempt to “help” people like you or me and they will do this believing that this is for our own good.
 
But we have already talked a lot about these issues. The more mystical / spiritual approach to religious teachings is actually the opposite of believing in such limiting and quite frankly harmful belief systems. I would never teach little children that there is a cosmic persona somewhere beyond the known universe and that this cosmic persona (together with his enemy the devil) are there to hurt them at the first mistake they make.
 
To me, something like fasting in the Ramadan, is not an obligation in which you get carrots for doing it and lashes for not doing it because the old pervert above is looking. – No. It’s a method, or a technique that can help you in self-mastery and contribute to your health by reducing the load of your digestive system every once in a while.
 
/ The reason why I am very opposed to simply letting go of religion is because I don’t want those who travestise everything about religion to own religion and force everyone else to embrace atheism, deism or other types of beliefs. No, I believe in calling people by their true names if you want. I want people like myself and most normal people I know of to be referred to as “ordinary believers” and them to be referred to as “extremists, fanatics, political Islamists, Salafists, strongly dogmatic and spiritually mislead persons”.
 
Yet, you know I have no issue about atheism. Because this is the spiritual choice that I am making. Many people are simply making the choice of not being a believer and not belonging to any church of any kind. After all the evil that has been done to humanity by “religious” people I cannot criticize such an attitude.
 
+ Believing in verifiable realities and forming a world view that is based on logical, Cartesian principle is actually the right way of doing things. I have simply added some amount of spiritual convictions to it because (for now) these are not really in conflict with my right-brain way of seeing things.
 
So this is an individual choice. I won’t even “spread the word” about these issues. It’ 100% individual choice.
 

“Perhaps this was always their purpose, perhaps the teachings are themselves destructive, perhaps this is exactly the outcome a rational person would expect from a theocratic religious tradition founded by a pillaging warlord whose pedophilic heart gave out on him before the murderous little lordlings beneath him started squabbling for the remains of his bloody throne?  Until you can understand that religious people will do things you detest because they are pious you will fall down over and over on this issue.  The trouble with the iranian government isn't that they do islam wrong, it's that they do government wrong.”
 

- In this case I would be surprised. I think the great teachers were all people with whom you could talk with hours and enjoy the time you spend with them. The reason why I think so is because “spiritual” people that I have met are that kind of people. I visited people like that in places like India and Nepal. They were very kind people, they have their convictions yes, they will try to talk you out of some of your attitudes etc. But I don’t see spiritual figures of any religion pouring yoghurt on the head of a woman who hasn’t covered her head (for instance).
 
So That’s not how I see things