RE: Hell is theologically impossible if God is omnipotent.
January 10, 2012 at 3:18 am
(This post was last modified: January 10, 2012 at 3:25 am by Godscreated.)
(January 9, 2012 at 8:26 pm)Aegrus Wrote:(January 9, 2012 at 3:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: Freewill
I have no idea why I'm bothering to respond to this. . .
I'll say it slow, so you can understand it.
If. . .god. . . is. . . infinitely. . . persuasive. . . or. . . omniscient. . . there. . . is. . . no. . . free. . . will.
You missed the entire point of the original post. Good job.
Let's say you're right, and god exists and is omnipotent and omniscient. (You know what those words mean, right?) It's not your choice to believe in him or not, because he made you the way you are, he made all of your life experiences, and he already knows what you will end up believing. If you don't see the logic here you're an idiot.
You call me an idiot and you wrote this, "It's not your choice to believe in him or not ... he already knows what you will end up believing." Now the last part of your statement shows I have a choice, so who is it that is an ...
(January 9, 2012 at 8:45 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: How can someone say "My god gives us all freewill" on one hand, then on the other hand say "This is a book describing how my God wishes you to live your life. If you dont do it, then you will be tortured in fire for all eternity"
That alone is NOT freewill....
The deeper you probe into this "god" fellow, the more obvious he is a tyrant, the more obvious this "freewill" is a lie.
Shows how little you know of freewill and God for that matter, God does not torture and you can not show me that through the scriptures, you determine your destiny.
(January 9, 2012 at 11:35 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:(January 9, 2012 at 8:45 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: How can someone say "My god gives us all freewill" on one hand, then on the other hand say "This is a book describing how my God wishes you to live your life. If you dont do it, then you will be tortured in fire for all eternity"
That alone is NOT freewill....
The deeper you probe into this "god" fellow, the more obvious he is a tyrant, the more obvious this "freewill" is a lie.
In my view, there are two reasonable definitions for "freewill": freedom from coercion, and freedom to act. In my view, the threat of hell negates the former, and foreknowledge negates the latter - though theists often claim that their deity's perfect foreknowledge does not interfere with the free exercise of choice. I find that argument unconvincing.
How do you see foreknowledge to be control over another.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.