(January 9, 2012 at 4:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: I know before I even write the first word to you that you will disagree with what I say, now does that make me all knowing, not in the least.
Cinjin Wrote:So you're saying that your god is NOT all knowing. mmm, ok. I know a LOT of christians that would disagree with you ... but whatever.
You know that's not what I'm saying, I can not even imagine how you could come up with such a statement, unless you've lost it and that would no be a surprise.
Quote: Does that mean because of this knowledge it was pre-planned by me that you would disagree, I do not think so.
Cinjin Wrote:This analogy doesn't work. You do not claim to be the creator of the universe.
Of coarse I'm not God, what does that have to do with what I said.
Quote:God knew what would happen and yet gave man freewill,
Cinjin Wrote:so he knew the outcome of his decision ... so now you're back to "god DOES know everything" .... which is it??? Make up your mind.
Get real, that is if you want me to take you seriously. I never meant that and you know it. I've always said that God is omniscient.
Quote:God also planned to sacrifice his Son for the redemption of man before he created, this plan was the only thing that was predestined,
Cinjin Wrote:So even though you just said that he "knew what would happen", now he only has one thing predetermined. That's not possible as it is a contradiction. If you know that most of mankind is going to turn down your offering, you can't pretend you don't know about it.
Man I do believe you've lost it, you know that predestined and foreknowledge are two totally different things, God foreknew that man would fall so God predestined his Son to be a sacrifice for man. Do I really need to spell all this out for you, aren't you a grad of Bob Jones University.
Quote:this is the love God has for man kind.
Cinjin Wrote:I'd rather do without it. It's greasy and covered with strings attached.
You have the freewill to reject God's sacrifice he made for you. There are no strings attached, that's just the way you have chosen to view it because you have chosen not to believe. It all falls on your shoulders.
Quote: Yes, because of God's nature you can reject him and he will not make you believe, this is freewill.
Cinjin Wrote:dumbest one yet ... even the Bible says, every knee shall bow. In other words, he will indeed MAKE you believe - and then after that - burn you anyway. What a cocksucker!
You think what I've said is dumb, wow, you are truly blind. Oh, you left out the part about, every eye shall see... this passage as you well know means God will give you the proof you have always wanted and yes it will be to late at that point.
Quote:Outside of choosing to believe or not is not truly freewill, it is the result of your choice.
Cinjin Wrote:horse shit
Such an intelligent answer, thought you might do better than that.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.