Quote:Shows how little you know of freewill and God for that matter, God does not torture and you can not show me that through the scriptures, you determine your destiny.Liar. You havent read your bible. Jesus said there would "be wailing and gnashing of teeth". After all, it was Jesus who said that a place of "everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" would also be the place of the "everlasting punishment" of multitudes of people (Matthew 25:41,46) in an age to come.
So yeah GC, God doesnt torture people, he "utilizes alternative punishment techniques". Because weeping and gnashing of teeth of everlasting fiery punishment for those who God hates. And who are these? "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Revelation 21:8).
So yeah, an eternal "punishment" in a lake of fire and brimstone where we weep and gnash our teeth is not anywhere near TORTURE...oh no. Calling it torture would make Jesus look bad.
Quote:How do you see foreknowledge to be control over another.
We have all explained it to you in detail through several pages of posts, yet you are still incapable of understanding.
Quote:Did anyone see any sense in this post? Same old rehashed garbage put in another words. Before putting any concrete argument forward, these theists need to at-least make some sense.Its nothing more than denial. GC is good at denial. Using GC's argument, I can ban his religion and threaten severe torture onto death for worshipping Jesus and still be labeled as giving people free will. Of course you have freewill to choose, but you must choose what I want you to choose or face the death of torture. Those who support me would not call it torture. They would call it "the law" or "righteousness punishment".
