RE: Help with a Christian girlfriend
January 14, 2012 at 3:51 pm
(This post was last modified: January 14, 2012 at 5:13 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Firstly, I didn't say that at all, so go argue with yourself on that count.
(at issue is the nuetering of masculine pronouns..which should be in the translation notes of your bible...god only knows why that would be left out in whatever rag you're holding... When female speakers are invoked in the bible, they utilize feminine pronouns. To do otherwise would be something completely alien to the culture that these narratives are supposed to have their origins in, and in fact, is alien, as it is not done elsewhere. Nueter pronouns cause tons of trouble in translation of biblical texts, as you should already be well aware...you are debating scripture correct? You should have some working knowledge of the subject you wish to debate. Let me put this a simpler way, so we can overcome this stumbling block. When the text is written, if a woman is said to be speaking, feminine versions of words are used. To use masculine versions of these words in reference to a female would be blasphemous/insulting. To use feminine versions of these words in reference to a man would be blasphemous/insulting. Essentially, If I were speaking about you to others in the forums, and referring to you as "she"...what would I be doing? Reverse the order and the situation is similar. Are we clear now?)
Secondly, you provided no such thing. You referenced the preamble to the poem, and I pointed this out to you. There isn't any disagreement anywhere as to the subjects of these verses with regards to Solomon. None. Neither of the lovers in the song of songs is Solomon. The verse you referenced pertains to Solomon, not the lovers. End of. You seriously have never read the Song of Songs have you? I don't need to cite anything, you have a bible (presumably). Don't get pissy just because you got a cut-rate edition with incomplete translation notes and utterly fail at reading comprehension (see the above attempt at a strawman...which I'm pretty sure was unintentional..lulz). You're a christian, I'm not. You're arguing the specifics of this narrative with me. You should know this narrative like the back of your hand (at least relative to my "uncultured" self), I shouldn't have to correct or educate you on your own scriptures, should I?
Still wondering when you're going to tell me what moment you went from indifference towards penis to choosing heterosexuality. How did you make the choice? Did you have a picture of a penis in one hand, and a vagina in the other? No, no, that wouldn't work would it...because you're "choosing"..yes? You'd have to will an erection by choice, visual aides couldn't elicit such a response in and of themselves. I have to say...I don't have such a problem. Does this mean that I didn't "choose" to be heterosexual? If I have not actively chosen to be a heterosexual does that put me in the clear or the red with god? Is "not choosing heterosexuality" equivalent to "rejecting heterosexuality" (as I often hear with regards to christ), or, and this is a thought.....is not choosing heterosexuality in an active manner an asexual equivalent to homosexuality? What do scriptures have to say on this matter?
Fun fact for the rest of us: This poem was composed as a theatrical. It was mean to be sung. Is anyone surprised that suspicions of homosexuality surround a musical...lol?
(at issue is the nuetering of masculine pronouns..which should be in the translation notes of your bible...god only knows why that would be left out in whatever rag you're holding... When female speakers are invoked in the bible, they utilize feminine pronouns. To do otherwise would be something completely alien to the culture that these narratives are supposed to have their origins in, and in fact, is alien, as it is not done elsewhere. Nueter pronouns cause tons of trouble in translation of biblical texts, as you should already be well aware...you are debating scripture correct? You should have some working knowledge of the subject you wish to debate. Let me put this a simpler way, so we can overcome this stumbling block. When the text is written, if a woman is said to be speaking, feminine versions of words are used. To use masculine versions of these words in reference to a female would be blasphemous/insulting. To use feminine versions of these words in reference to a man would be blasphemous/insulting. Essentially, If I were speaking about you to others in the forums, and referring to you as "she"...what would I be doing? Reverse the order and the situation is similar. Are we clear now?)
Secondly, you provided no such thing. You referenced the preamble to the poem, and I pointed this out to you. There isn't any disagreement anywhere as to the subjects of these verses with regards to Solomon. None. Neither of the lovers in the song of songs is Solomon. The verse you referenced pertains to Solomon, not the lovers. End of. You seriously have never read the Song of Songs have you? I don't need to cite anything, you have a bible (presumably). Don't get pissy just because you got a cut-rate edition with incomplete translation notes and utterly fail at reading comprehension (see the above attempt at a strawman...which I'm pretty sure was unintentional..lulz). You're a christian, I'm not. You're arguing the specifics of this narrative with me. You should know this narrative like the back of your hand (at least relative to my "uncultured" self), I shouldn't have to correct or educate you on your own scriptures, should I?
Still wondering when you're going to tell me what moment you went from indifference towards penis to choosing heterosexuality. How did you make the choice? Did you have a picture of a penis in one hand, and a vagina in the other? No, no, that wouldn't work would it...because you're "choosing"..yes? You'd have to will an erection by choice, visual aides couldn't elicit such a response in and of themselves. I have to say...I don't have such a problem. Does this mean that I didn't "choose" to be heterosexual? If I have not actively chosen to be a heterosexual does that put me in the clear or the red with god? Is "not choosing heterosexuality" equivalent to "rejecting heterosexuality" (as I often hear with regards to christ), or, and this is a thought.....is not choosing heterosexuality in an active manner an asexual equivalent to homosexuality? What do scriptures have to say on this matter?
Fun fact for the rest of us: This poem was composed as a theatrical. It was mean to be sung. Is anyone surprised that suspicions of homosexuality surround a musical...lol?
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