(January 16, 2012 at 12:51 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: One of the clues in John's Gospel that it was written much later than Christians like to pretend is how "advanced" the theology was. One of the strangest things is how "John" refers to "the Jews" as a separate, even hostile group.
Quote:1:19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
2:18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
5:10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.
5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
7:1 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.
8:22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
8:52Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
9:18 But the Jews did not believe concerning him, that he had been blind, and received his sight, until they called the parents of him that had received his sight.
10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
11:8 His disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?
19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.
Wasn't Jesus a Jew? Weren't his disciples Jews? Or was this written after Christianity had become a sect distinct from Judaism?
That makes no sense at all, just what point are you trying to make with those verses. All that you have shown is the Jewish leaders hated Jesus.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
