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and how it should work that it never can,

Not true either. China has been quite successful at socialism, yet they are authoritarian as hell, and they have now integrated what i consider some of the worst parts of capitalism as well. Northern Europe, on the other hand, keep slowly working their way towards a coopoerative system of anti-authoritarian likes. All countries have their moments of ups and downs.

I'm not sure why you see the China model of socialism successful, they have had to use force to put down revolts, the young people are extremely unhappy with how things are in China and the china government will only allow it's propaganda to reach the rest of the world. Unhappy people do not IMO spell successes.

in a socialistic society opinions are out and that goes against human nature.

It depends on the nature of the commune and the nature of the opinion.

Example: The commune that the followers of Jesus set up right after his crucifixion can easily be described as an authoritarian theocratic commune. All members had to sell their possessions and had to surrender the money to the church leaders. If they didnt, they were killed right on the spot. The bible says that God killed the people, or made them "give up the ghost". this could be translated however you like, but the fact is they were killed for trying to hold back some of their money from the commune. Their opinion on how to run a commune, regardless of wether god existed or not, did not succeede because we no longer see it today.

I have to totally disagree with this statement, no one had to sell their property, this was a voluntary practice. Those who did could even choose to keep part of the money for themselves. Please read Acts 5:1-6. Ananias and his wife conspired to keep some of the money, to me this means that they had promised to give all the money to the church and then out of greed conspired to keep some of the money. In v. 4 Peter tells Ananias that it all belonged to them until they had promised it to the church. No one was forced to give anything to the church, it was and still is voluntary.

There is no way to have a society that goes against human nature and it work unless force is used and even then we see how ineffective that can be with the changes in the Middle East.

I keep hearing that same argument again and again. That people are greedy and hateful, and therefore must have a greedy and hateful government.

Why not ask the Sami about that? They seem to have successfully snubbed the current idea of humanity and government, and they are still going strong.

I do not know about the Sami, will look into them as soon as I get a chance. The argument you keep hearing is true to an extent, a lot of people are greedy and hateful and this alone is enough to do away with a pure socialist country. People do not necessarily need a government that's greedy or hateful, I do not believe our democratic republic to be either. In actuality our government is the people with representatives, yes those in office want to run things their way but in the end the people choose. Good system that most of the world would like to have, I personally want it to be our system even with it's flaws.
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