(February 13, 2012 at 3:29 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: You would have the exact same options, there is no change in free-will, except that God would create only those whom he knew would be good people.
Well, not only that, but the Christian claim is that no man can resist evil on his own. All men are sinners. The idea is that after they accept Jesus into their life, then Jesus comes into their heart and they no longer desire to do evil.
But that's an oxymoron. If no man can chose to be sinless on his own and he can only become sinless after God enters his heart and makes it so he only desires to do good, then like MysticKnight suggests, why doesn't God just do this in the first place?
Obviously a person's "choice" would have nothing to do with it anyway.
That's just yet another oxymoron of this religion.
The religion is so oxymoronic there can only be one possibly explanation for it. It's man-made religion created to try to control the masses via a concept of fear of punishment or luring them in with the hopes of winning eternal life in paradise.
In terms of an actual "God" it makes no sense at all.
In only makes sense in terms of a man-made scam.
The fact that this religion claims that a mere disbelief in this God is proof positive. They try to scam people into believing that to merely disbelieve in this God equates to choosing to be an evil person, etc.
That alone is absolute proof positive that this religion is the devious brainwashing treachery of men.
They won't even permit someone to be a "Good Person" without worship their religion and cowering down to all its male-chauvinism and religious bigotry.
It's just a man-made religion that uses a make-pretend God to condemn everyone who refuses to join and support the cult.
That's all it is. It can't be anything more than this. It's simply the most successful man-made cult in all of history, duping billions of people over thousands of years.
And Jesus was either an innocent victim of this religion, or a totally made-up character himself.
Personally I believe that some guy actually did speak out against the immortal teachings of the Torah (or Old Testament) and call the Pharisees, hypocrites. And they probably did publicly crucify this guy in a horrific fashion under the charges of "blaspheme".
First they nailed him to the pole and killed him. Then all sorts of rumors got started, so they they set about nailing him to the Torah (or Old Testament) by proclaiming that he was indeed the "messiah " (one of the rumors that started up about him). And in doing so they successfully nailed him back onto the Torah proclaiming that he was the "Son of the God of Abraham", they very same fictitious God that Jesus himself clearly rejected.
Jesus was a victim of "Christianity", a religion that used him as a patsy.
I'm seriously too. I seriously believe this is exactly what happened.
Jesus taught the exact opposite moral values that had been taught in the Torah. He renounced the idea of judging others. He renounced the stoning of sinners. He renounced the seeking of revenge as in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, and instead he taught people to forgive each other and to turn the other cheek.
He was the polar opposite of the God of Abraham. Could not possibly have been the "son" of that God.
Christian - A moron who believes that an all-benevolent God can simultaneously be a hateful jealous male-chauvinistic pig.
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!