(February 14, 2012 at 3:45 pm)Abracadabra Wrote: It's precisely because of this kind of haughty arrogance that religious people will never believe a word any atheists says.
Evidently some atheist extremists (such as yourself evidently), are making unrealistic claims that they can't possibly back up. All you're doing is spewing "lies" in precisely the same way that Christian proselytizers spew their "lies".
Obviously you both believe what you believe, but clearly neither of you can prove you baloney.
So you'll remain locked in horns in a stalemate forever with the Christians because you can't proof your faith-based claims anymore than they can prove theirs. It's a dead heat.
It has been backed up and all you could do against those arguments is babble endlessly about gaps of knowledge in science.
(February 14, 2012 at 3:45 pm)Abracadabra Wrote: I'm not peddling any bullshit. That's just more of your own erroneous assumptions. All I'm doing is suggesting wise and realistic solutions to the problems facing modern day humanity.
Unfortunately there exists extremists on both sides of the fence. The religious extremists claiming they have rock-solid proof of their jealous Gods. And the atheist extremists making equally absurd claims that they can rule out every possible spiritual concept of reality.
Both of those positions are equally unsupportable.
Your "solution" is based on the absence of knowledge about reality. Therefore, it cannot be realistic.
(February 14, 2012 at 3:45 pm)Abracadabra Wrote: It would be a safety-net because, unlike your personal and erroneous claims, it can't be disproved.
That wouldn't change the fact of certain doom and neither would it protect anyone form it.
(February 14, 2012 at 3:45 pm)Abracadabra Wrote: If you believe that you can disprove any and all concepts of a spiritual essence to reality, then you truly do fit the definition of an atheist in my signature line.
Any genuinely intelligent should know that we have not come anywhere near close to have ruling out such things. If you have convinced yourself that you can, then that's your own personal fantasy right there.
I certainly defend your right to believe that for yourself. But trying to push your views onto other people as though they represents the infallible word of God, is no different from preaching the Abrahamic religoins.
The only difference in your case is that you're claiming to be this God because you're the one who claims to know the supreme truth of ultimate reality.
If that's true, why don't you take a stroll over to the scientific community and set them straight on all their current scientific theories and speculations?
After all, if you claim to know the true nature of reality, then you should be able to answer any question anyone has about reality without hesitation.
If you can't do that, then clearly you are just full of hot air.
Sorry to be so blunt, but truth is truth.
All you're doing is preaching secular atheism as a personal faith-based religion on your part.
You're every bit as deluded in your fantasies as the most tenacious religious zealot.
You don't need complete knowledge of what a thing is to rule out what it cannot be. Even if a reality independent of spatio-temporal reality does exist, it cannot have a consciousness.
Knowing the true nature of reality (again with the redundancy, you just don't learn, do you?) is not required to state what it cannot be. What it cannot be is self-contradictory and your position necessarily leads to self-contradiction.
