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How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahamic religions?
April 11, 2017 at 10:04 pm
For Christians, Muslims, Jews, anyone really...
How do you guys feel about the violent/hateful verses in the Torah, Quran and Bible?
How do you reconcile these contradicting ideas? That Christanity/Islam/Judiasm is peaceful, yet their scriptures contain verses that would make even the most violent sociopath cringe a bit....?
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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahamic religions?
April 11, 2017 at 10:09 pm
For the Christians, belief trumps conduct, so no trouble at all. Jesus grants them Salvation® regardless of how many children they buttfuck, murder, sell into slavery or eat for supper, just as long as they keep Him in mind while they are doing it.
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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahamic religions?
April 11, 2017 at 10:15 pm
When I was Catholic I was all about "the example of Jesus".
You HAVE to cherry-pick. I was very loosely religious and disregarded huge chunks of The Bible. I saw it as an outdated mark of the time they were written and/or intended to be symbolic.
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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahami...
April 11, 2017 at 10:20 pm
(April 11, 2017 at 10:04 pm)AceBoogie Wrote: How do you reconcile these contradicting ideas?
Lots of cherry picking, denial and looking the other way.
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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahami...
April 11, 2017 at 10:21 pm
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I have never really been religious, more of a very weak deist than anything. However my experience with religious people has largely been what Regina said.
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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahamic religions?
April 11, 2017 at 10:22 pm
. . or looking at a plainly worded bit of Scripture and declaring it means precisely the opposite of what it says . .
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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahami...
April 11, 2017 at 10:25 pm
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(April 11, 2017 at 10:22 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: . . or looking at a plainly worded bit of Scripture and declaring it means precisely the opposite of what it says . .
"The true meaning was lost in translation! Only the original Hebrew version* was poetically beautiful enough to convey the TRUE message!"
*Replace "Hebrew" with "Arabic" if talking Quran. Muslims play this game too.
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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahami...
April 11, 2017 at 10:34 pm
(April 11, 2017 at 10:25 pm)Regina Wrote: "The true meaning was lost in translation! Only the original Hebrew version* was poetically beautiful enough to convey the TRUE message!"
*Replace "Hebrew" with "Arabic" if talking Quran. Muslims play this game too.
Excuse my abuse of Godwin's Law, but you could probably argue for the beauty of "Mein Kampf" with this kind of reasoning.
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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahami...
April 12, 2017 at 8:59 pm
(April 11, 2017 at 10:04 pm)AceBoogie Wrote: For Christians, Muslims, Jews, anyone really...
How do you guys feel about the violent/hateful verses in the Torah, Quran and Bible?
How do you reconcile these contradicting ideas? That Christanity/Islam/Judiasm is peaceful, yet their scriptures contain verses that would make even the most violent sociopath cringe a bit....?
What contradictory ideas are there between the Bible and Christianity being a peaceful religion? If you are going to go with the conquest of Canaan, do you even believe that that happened (ironically, most atheists are skeptical or even adamant that it did not happen)? The God described in the vast majority of the OT is one of love, compassion, patience, justice, etc. So your question is really, could the God described in the rest of the 99% of the Bible have issued those commands? What if we cannot reconcile the 1% to the other 99% description? At most it's a question of inerrancy (of at least the book of Joshua-which was written some 600 years after the events that it describes)?
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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahami...
April 12, 2017 at 9:21 pm
https://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psy...uritan.htm
Quote:The Puritans viewed themselves as God's special people, replacing national Israel. Nowhere do the dangers of this assumption become more clear than in the Puritans' treatment of the native Americans. Since the Puritans considered themselves God's chosen people, they concluded that they had the right to take the land from the heathen Indians. The American Indians were the "new Canaanites" in America's "Promised Land." The fruit of Puritan theology was brutal. They saw their mission as convert these "Canaanites" to Christianity; failing that, it was acceptable to slaughter them in the name of Christ.
For example, the Puritan massacres of the Pequot Indian tribe on May 26, 1637, and again on July 14, 1637, were deemed by the Puritans to be directed by God -- Captain John Mason declared, "God laughed his Enemies and the Enemies of his People to Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven ... Thus did the Lord judge among the Heathen, filling the Place with dead Bodies" (Segal and Stinenback, Puritans, Indians, and Manifest Destiny, pp. 111-112, 134-135). Converting the pagans for God was acceptable to the Puritans, but killing the pagans for the Lord was also acceptable!
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