A Non-Violent Solution?

[Cosmic Ape]

Quite while I'm behind?

Genkaus is the one who's claiming to have 'proof' of something.

Your shitty claims need proof, so yes we can deduce what's a bad claim and what's not with the right tools, not your imagination.... And I wasn't referring to just that one poster, others have talked to you about your ridiculous positions as have I when I called you out on your retarded signature.

Thus far he hasn't proven a thing. All he's done is make a complete ass out of himself proclaiming to be able to prove something that neither the scientific community nor the philosophical community would support.

Then you suspnd judgement until that thing can be properly demonstrated, that's logic 101. The default position. You have to prove why we should change our stance on the default position.

In the meantime I haven't claimed to have proven anything. All I've done is show that anyone who has an open mind has more than enough scientific information to construct many different plausible spiritual philosophies that cannot be ruled out as Genkaus' erroneously claims.

Then shut up if you have no proof, it's that easy. I dont need to hear your maybes and could be's as if they hold as much water as anything Science has produced with natural, tangible evidence. When claims like the spirit or soul get tested up against Science, they fail. The soul for example is a big fail that many have tried to prove, do you realize how big that would be if someone found the soul? they'd win nobel prizes. Everything we are is in our brain, the first break in the chain of "logic" from a spiritualistic person is to not recognize this and that there is no evidence for a soul/spirit. And quite the contrary, everything we know about life shows life does come from non life and life goes through a cycle just like the cosmos, it's not a matter of magic souls or creation.

In fact, I'm truly surprised that you would support Genkaus' closed-minded and out-dated classical position.

I dont really give a damn what your surprised with, no offense. Some people actually care about whats true and dont presume upon things we wish to be true or want to be true or can ponder to be true. Dont you think I havnt pondered about being a super-being who flies through space and lives millions of years, never gets sick, is on a drug called super-heroin all day that has no side effects while eating space nachos all day? Hell yeah I wish awesome shit like that was true but that has no bearing of my understanding of the cosmos. I actually care to learn about it, to see that it is a vast ocean of chaos, like an ocean, a cosmic ocean of life... life waiting to be born in the right areas, life waiting to evolve into a creature powerful enough to harness the atoms themselves. I dont care about supernatural nonsense, I care about evolving.

His arguments are totally retro, and don't even apply in the face of modern knowledge. You'd have to go back to the days of Newton and Spinoza to make the kinds of arguments that he's attempting to peddle.

And what century would we have to go back to, to get to yours? the 13th century?

I can't believe that anyone would be gullible enough to fall for his out-dated baloney, but then again, considering that radical Christian Fundamental extremist tend to get followers too, I guess I shouldn't be too surprised that some people would fall for his outdated blind dogma, and his totally lame and unsupportable arguments.

You make a lot of bald asssertions about a person without actually explaining it, should I be shocked? I guess not, maybe you could actually expand on that instead of being a vague moron, like most spiritual people are. They cant even define spirituality for the most part. It's a muddy word that means jack shit. You might as well call neurons your soul and spirit because thats actually reality.

I was kind of hoping to that atheists in general wouldn't be that naive to fall for such utter nonsense. But evidently some of them are.

And whats your evidence of the soul? oh... there isnt such evidence?.. no way

Clearly there are intelligent atheists on these boards who do understand that Genkaus is full of himself, and that his claims are nothing more than an over-inflated personal opinion.

I wasnt even referring to him, have you not seen all the people who write back to you on this board? as if Genkaus is the only person who gives you shit? He happens to sound way more intelligent than you pal... and thats a better conjecture than you've made all day.

The more intelligent people know that we can't rule anything out. We simply don't yet have enough information about the true nature of reality to even begin to pretend to be so arrogant.

What dont you understand about suspending judgement until proper evidence is in? Do you say that a person is a murderer if you dont have enough evidence to convict? its always the right thing to suspend judgement, in this case innocent=skepticism, guilty=guessing

I'm sure that Genkaus will gain his fair share of followers as he preaches his dogma. That's just about guaranteed by the laws of statistics.

lol dogma, might want to look that word up brosef, atheism isnt a religion, it doesnt have dogma, you're an idiot.

I can't "lose" to Genhaus, because I'm not the pompous fool who's claiming to have a proof that only my opinions smell good and all others stink.

Still being a pretentious terd trying to make it 1 person vs you, its already us two against you right now but I'd be willing to bet there's a lot more who disagree with you and your insecurities about wanting your supernatural world to be true and wanting us to be agnositc about it and when some of us refuse you call us close-minded well fuck that, I am agnostic about certain things but nothing you've mentioned. You wont even consider that your possibly full of shit.