A Non-Violent Solution?

[genkaus]

Well, there you go Genkaus, lying again. Which you'll absolute have to do continue to hold your position.

I have not proposed a non-phenomenological consciousness, and never have. On the contrary my position all-along has been that there are many phenomenological opportunities for consciousness to exist that most certainly cannot yet be ruled out.

And without missing a beat!

As predicted in my argument, Abra always talks about consicousness independent of space-time (phenomenology), UNLESS, he's confornted with it. Then his argument becomes "I never said that".

You're not listening at all. All you're doing it blindly trying to ram your arrogant views down the throats of other people without any justification whatsoever.

One very simple fact that proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that your asinine position is totally worthless is the following:

You claim that any concept of spirit must be phenomenological. Fine, I have no problem with that myself. But where argument falls flat on it's face is that you claim that you can rule out that there is any room for any such phenomenological spirit to exist based on our current knowledge of reality.

And here are the lies and the misrepresentations. I specifically said that I can rule out any non-phenomenological spirits.

That is clearly false. You simply cannot make that claim.

And I haven't. Your position is not the same as that.

Our scientific community is proposing many idea of phenomenon that cannot be ruled out, in fact, scientists are spending billions of dollars proposing and searching precisely for that very thing.

The most popular of these are the hidden dimensions of String Theory. According to this scientific theory our universe may consist of 11-dimensions instead of the 4 that we currently know about.

That 7 new hidden dimensions that we know nothing about. More than enough room to harbor all sorts of consciousness. In fact, based on this alone it means that we currently only know about 40% of our current phenomenological universe, and 70% of it is completely hidden to us.

So you're claiming to be able to rule out any form of consciousness in that scientifically proposed 70% of reality.

Is that 70% phenomenological or not?

You have absolutely no basis whatsoever to claim to be able to rule out things that clearly cannot be known to us at this time.

So you're caught red-handed holding a false claim that could never be supported using our current understanding of reality.

You can't rule out anything that might be happening in 7 hidden unseen dimensions.

And that's just one area that you can't rule out.

You also can't rule out possible structures beneath the very fabric of spacetime itself such as the quantum world.

You can't rule out parallel universes or a multiverse. More ideas being given serious consideration by the sciences.

In short, humanity simply doesn't have the kind of knowledge that would even be required to propose a claim like you're proposing.

Yap, yap, yap, yap, yap, yap, yap, yap, yap, yap, yap, yap, yap.

Don't you get tired of talking this much and not saying a single thing that is relevant. You should've learned by now that these attempts at obfuscation and argument by verbosity don't work.

You claim to have 'proof' that every imaginable model of spirituality has already been ruled out is nothing short of complete idiocy on your part.

No, not every imaginable model. Just the one imagined by you. Which happens to be complete idiocy on your part.

And anyone who accepts your nonsense can't be thinking very deeply about these issues either.

Anyone who accepts your nonsense, cannot be thinking at all.

You're simply not in any position to make the claims that you're making. And you're certainly not in any position to arrogantly proclaim that everyone else must accept your bull shit because it cannot be denied.

No, I'm saying that people should either accept the undeniable as undeniable or find a way to deny it. You haven't been able to do either.

That's utter hogwash.

The knowledge of Humanity in general (i.e. the best science we have today) cannot even remotely begin to rule things out on the scale that you claim to be able to rule them out.

It can rule out the bullshit you are peddling.

You are a FRAUD! Preaching grossly false information to the public that cannot even remotely be supported by our current knowledge of reality.

You are a MORON. Imagining wild fantasies and assuming them to be real, without even understanding the nature of this reality.

You're a Fraud Genkaus. You're spreading false opinions whilst proclaiming that they are absolute truths that no one can deny.

Utter hogwash!

There is nothing in the knowledge of humanity that could be used to support your utterly absurd claims.

Total bullshit.

There is nothing at all and there can never be anything at all that could be used to support your stupid fantasies because your fantasies are false.