A Non-Violent Solution?

[Abracadabra]

As predicted in my argument, Abra always talks about consicousness independent of space-time (phenomenology), UNLESS, he's confornted with it. Then his argument becomes "I never said that".

Well, clearly you've lost the argument if your only comeback is to try to misrepresent my position.

I do not talk about consciousness as being independent of "structure".

However, YES, I most certainly do reject your limitations on what you demand "space-time (phenomenology)" to be restricted to.

In order for your proposed epistemological/philosophical "proof" to hold, you must demand that" space-time (phenomenology)" must be restricted to a very simplistic pre-modern era.

You must rule-out extra hidden dimensions of space-time.

You must rule-out any and all quantum information that might exist beneath the fabric of Einstein's space-time.

You must also ignore the consequences of Einstein's Relativistic theories and their implications concerning the weird nature of 'past, present, and future', and how these theories expose huge problems in our very understanding of the true nature of time.

You must also ignore scientific proposals of the existence of parallel universes, and or a multiverse.

In short, for you out-dated philosophical claims to hold, you must basically return to a Newtonian picture of absolute time and space (perhaps pretending to simultaneously accept an extremely naive view of relativity, ignoring all of the philosophical and scientific implications of that)

And forget about Quantum Mechanics, String Theory, or even Inflation theory, because all of those theories would necessarily need to also be "ruled-out" by your claims.

Otherwise, you would be stuck with having potential phenomenological places where spirit (or consciousness) could exist that you can't rule out.

So contrary to your false accusations, I haven't changed my position one iota.

You're claim to have ruled out all possible spiritual philosophies simple cannot stand in the face of modern scientific knowledge.

There are simply too many scientifically proposed places where such a consciousness could exist that you can't "rule out".

Hell's bells, if the scientific implications that parallel universes, or a multiverse may exist, then there would be more than enough phenomenological places to hide an entire Kingdom of Zeus and company.

And you couldn't "rule that out".

There are many phenomenological ideas being proposed by the scientific community that even they cannot rule out. Yet you claim to be able to rule those concepts out?

You simply have no basis for you demands.

You demands couldn't possibly be supported be modern scientific arguments.

Scientists themselves are simply proposing far too many phenomenological "hiding places" for potential consciousnesses to reside.

So you have no scientific basis for "ruling them out"

You're dead in the water Genkaus. You lost this debate already.

Give it up.