A Non-Violent Solution?

[genkaus]

Well, clearly you've lost the argument if your only comeback is to try to misrepresent my position.

Clearly, you are still using your imagination to decide what reality is.

I do not talk about consciousness as being independent of "structure".

No, but you do talk about a non-phenomenological structure.

However, YES, I most certainly do reject your limitations on what you demand "space-time (phenomenology)" to be restricted to.

Space-time phenomenology is restricted to space-time phenomenology.

In order for your proposed epistemological/philosophical "proof" to hold, you must demand that" space-time (phenomenology)" must be restricted to a very simplistic pre-modern era.

No, the epistemological proof holds even in modern era.

You must rule-out extra hidden dimensions of space-time.

Check again.

You must rule-out any and all quantum information that might exist beneath the fabric of Einstein's space-time.

No, I simply point put that in quantum mechanics, information is simply another word for your structure. It has nothing what soever to do with consciousness.

You must also ignore the consequences of Einstein's Relativistic theories and their implications concerning the weird nature of 'past, present, and future', and how these theories expose huge problems in our very understanding of the true nature of time.

You must also ignore scientific proposals of the existence of parallel universes, and or a multiverse.

Neither the existence of parallel universes, nor any of the "theories of time" go against the axiom of primacy of existence. So there is no need for me to rule them out.

In short, for you out-dated philosophical claims to hold, you must basically return to a Newtonian picture of absolute time and space (perhaps pretending to simultaneously accept an extremely naive view of relativity, ignoring all of the philosophical and scientific implications of that)

And forget about Quantum Mechanics, String Theory, or even Inflation theory, because all of those theories would necessarily need to also be "ruled-out" by your claims.

Bullshit. All of these theories implicitly accept primacy of existence, since they are all based on observational evidence.

Otherwise, you would be stuck with having potential phenomenological places where spirit (or consciousness) could exist that you can't rule out.

Nonsense. There are many potential phenomenological (spatio-temporal) places where consciousness could exist and they are not ruled out. What is ruled out is your bull-shit claim of non-phenomenal (non-spatio-temporal) consciousness.

So contrary to your false accusations, I haven't changed my position one iota.

Ofcourse you haven't. You still subscribe to the stupid idea of consciousness in a non-phenomenological structure.

You're claim to have ruled out all possible spiritual philosophies simple cannot stand in the face of modern scientific knowledge.

Lies. Not all, just yours.

There are simply too many scientifically proposed places where such a consciousness could exist that you can't "rule out".

Ofcourse, there are. Your proposal isn't one of them.

Hell's bells, if the scientific implications that parallel universes, or a multiverse may exist, then there would be more than enough phenomenological places to hide an entire Kingdom of Zeus and company.

And you couldn't "rule that out".

Definitely. But that's not what the "eastern mystic philosophies" propose.

There are many phenomenological ideas being proposed by the scientific community that even they cannot rule out. Yet you claim to be able to rule those concepts out?

Nope, just your bullshit.

You simply have no basis for you demands.

Ofcourse I do. That your ideas are crap.

You demands couldn't possibly be supported be modern scientific arguments.

Then how come they are?

Scientists themselves are simply proposing far too many phenomenological "hiding places" for potential consciousnesses to reside.

Tell me when they propose a non-phenomenological (non-spatiotemporal) hiding spot.

So you have no scientific basis for "ruling them out"

Not them, you.