(February 24, 2012 at 3:38 am)Abracadabra Wrote:(February 24, 2012 at 3:08 am)Godschild Wrote: Showing your ignorance of the scriptures I see, try this one, Jesus said, "no one comes to the Father except through Me."
I see also that you can not see sarcasm in scripture either. Improve your understanding of scripture by studying it, then come back and make your
All you're doing is showing your ignorance and desire to make Jesus out to be a mean uncaring monster.
So what if Jesus said, "no one comes to the Father except through me"?
What's that supposed to prove?
He later then said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do".
So evidently Jesus forgives people for not being fully aware of what they are doing.
He can do that, and still remain "the only way" to get to the Father.
There's no conflict there.
Jesus can forgive anyone in any way that he sees fit. Including forgiving people for not knowing what they are doing. And including accepting that some people are indeed already righteous.
Besides, who are you to accuse Jesus of being "sarcastic"?
Why should anyone accept your personal need to make Jesus into an unforgiving hateful monster, when it's crystal clear from many things that Jesus said, that he is more than willing to forgive just about anyone for anything.
Just look at who he forgave. People were mocking him, beating him physically and nailing him a pole in person, and he forgave them.
So now you're trying to spread shit around that Jesus won't forgive people today for merely not believing in your hateful interpretations of his words.
How arrogant is that of you to decide who Jesus will forgive or not forgive?
This is the problem with so many egotistical Christians. They get it in their heads that they speak for Jesus and will decide for everyone else who Jesus will forgive and who he will cast into hell.
You should be extremely ashamed of yourself for taking such a stance.
It's crystal clear to me that Jesus was extremely easy-going and was more than prepared to forgive just about everyone, even those who crucified him.
You'd really need to do something horribly wrong knowingly with absolute premeditated malice before Jesus would condemn you.
It's crystal clear that Jesus came to save the world not to judge it.
Yet here you are attempting to argue for a hateful Jesus.
What a shame.
Why are Christians so hell-bent on demanding that Jesus is a cold-blooded heartless monster?
That's not the picture I see. I see a very loving man who didn't want to judge anyone and who was willing to forgive everyone for just about anything, even if they didn't ask for forgiveness (just like the people who crucified him whom he clearly forgave).
Why is it so important to you to make Jesus out to be such a hateful monster?
What's up with that?
Evidently that's the only way the Christian cult can survive.
If you allow Jesus to actually forgive decent people who don't buy into the cult, then your cult dies.
So you need a "hateful" Jesus just to keep the cult afloat.
And that's what makes the cult so utterly disgusting.
Christian hatred sustained through a hateful image of Jesus.
What a disgusting religion.
Jesus was speaking of the Roman soldiers, why, because they had no idea who He was, Christ asked the Father to forgive them of this act, not of all the sins in their lives. Jesus loved me enough to die on my behalf and I love Him because He first loved me. I have never portrayed Christ as hateful, you are the one who is distorting who He is. Christ forgives those who accept Him as their savior, there is no other way under heaven to receive forgiveness of your sins, try all you want it will not happen. The true culprits in Christ's crucifixion was the Jewish leaders of that time and Christ did not ask the Father to forgive them. To end this conversation, you are quite delusional.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
