RE: Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance
February 29, 2012 at 3:58 pm
(This post was last modified: February 29, 2012 at 4:02 pm by Undeceived.)
(February 29, 2012 at 2:33 am)znk666 Wrote:(February 24, 2012 at 3:36 pm)Undeceived Wrote: God is perfectly loving but also perfectly just. If he wasn't just, we'd all turn out brats and run around causing whatever chaos we please. The old testament judgments are just that--judgments. We break the law we are all aware of and we face the punishment. A judge doesn't hate the criminal he sentences, he's just doing what he's obligated to do. "But God shows his love for us in this: while we were still sinners, Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8). Christians are Christians because they see their sin and recognize their need for a savior. Jesus is that savior. "And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death--even death on a cross!" (Philippians 2:8) "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends" (John 15:13). God had mercy on us. He knew the debt needed to be paid and he did it for us. All we have to do is say we're sorry for the wrongs we've committed and accept his gift. The pleasures of this world (like sex and alcohol) are empty and temporary. When we believe in Jesus we are given a full, lasting peace.
Genocides and torture conducted and ordered by God
Eternity in burning oil,torture and suffering just for not believing in a book filled with illogical false claims.
I am sorry but if you think that those things are in any way ''just'',you're a sickening example of a human being.
You're arguing in two spheres. The New Testament also shows God's nature and says "God is love" in 1 John 4:8. Either you take both testaments or you take neither. He is loving (as a father to a child) and just (as a father disciplines a child). Why is it that the two things we crave most are love from our friends and justice to those who are not? Unlike us, God loves everyone, but He will also judge those who choose not to be His friend. Peoples in the OT were given opportunities to accept God's love but they didn't want it. They went off and did wicked things instead. God loved them the entire time, so the OT and NT are reconciled. The whole point you bring the OT God up is that you believe they cannot be reconciled. You believe that infers they were fabricated by man. But they are reconcilable by the believers themselves-- by the church and the people in the church using the scriptures to back their claims up. The church has a perfect explanation (using the scriptures as backing) for why God seems different in the two cases. Your asserting their explanation isn't good enough suggests absolutely nothing except that you probably haven't read the Bible enough to make an educated judgment. We believe God good. We have evidence for our belief. You believe God evil. You have no evidence, and only make the claim for the ends of justifying your own disbelief in God. Christians consider that if there was a God, the Judgment-to-Gospel gradient is just how He'd reveal Himself. You consider He would not reveal Himself that way. How could you know? How can you read the mind of a God you don't think exists?
