RE: The Evidence Required Is?
March 3, 2012 at 10:32 pm
(This post was last modified: March 3, 2012 at 10:34 pm by Cyberman.)
(March 3, 2012 at 9:57 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: "Remember science is a process of investigation." - Stimbo
Natural science is only one means of investigation. Mathematics investigates relationships of another kind. Contemplation investigates the inner life. Music investigates the power of beauty. Literature explores meaning and values. The ways of investigating the world are more rich and diverse than you are willing to admit.
Let's try that again, this time I'll hold your hand through the hard bit:
Remember science is a process of investigation.
See what I did there? Now ask yourself why I carefully chose that particular word, emboldened for your convenience.
(March 3, 2012 at 9:57 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: "...things as mind-body interaction most certainly can be investigated, though I may personally lack the knowledge to explain how." - Sounds like blind faith to me. You have no idea how it could be and yet you believe it to be so.
I can't be held accountable for how my words sound to you. Perhaps you should try reading them again. Can I tell you, here and now, how such an experiment to investigate the mind-body interaction may be conducted? No - such things are beyond my personal level of education, experience and expertise. However, they are not beyond that of others. By the same token, I have little to no understanding of what makes gravity work, nor do I need any to use it or to understand that it does, indeed, work.
(March 3, 2012 at 9:57 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: "Your placing something beyond the reach of scientific investigation is a double-edged sword, by so doing you are also removing any effect it can have on the Universe since such effects clearly do fall into the reach of scientific investigation." - Stimbo
Not so. What is the cause of time and space? Is your experience of pain more painful than mine? These are real yet scientifically non-falsifiable inquiries.
Whatever caused time and space, it had a definite effect upon the Universe - it caused time and space, after all. Such an effect and the cause thereof falls squarely in the remit of science. The comparison of pain upon different subjects is also something that falls within the remit of science, and such things are investigated in research facilities on a daily basis. These are very silly examples you are choosing, clearly falsifiable since I am doing just that. If you are arguing for things that science has not yet revealed, what makes you think they will be forever unknown? That is, unknowable as opposed to simply unknown at present?
Also: please learn how to use the quote facility. It really isn't that hard and would make your posts so much more legible.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
