RE: Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance
March 5, 2012 at 1:25 am
(March 5, 2012 at 1:21 am)Voltair Wrote: How you define faith is important to this discussion. If you define it as simply trust then yes I do have faith in things such as gravity. If you define faith as a bridge between what cannot be known and knowledge then I disagree that I have faith. It is not a matter of faith that I am not convinced of God's existence but rather the fact that I have not seen reliable evidence to substantiate it.
When I was referring to those other accounts of history faith may have been the wrong term. I can accept that some of the ancient historical accounts we have from different places may very well be wrong. After all the phrase "the winners write history" comes to mind. Does every bit of history we have guarantee the events that it talks about? No, someone could have embellished it which is why we would prefer to have more than one source.
I can acknowledge the possibility of its falsehood and move on. However when dealing with documents that claim something that has never been seen in reality in our day and age, I.E. supernatural phenomenon I am going to question it a lot more. There are writings which talk about mythical beasts, do I believe those beasts exist? No although the beast they saw may be based on something and there very well may have been a type of dragon at some point.
I see people trying to say "atheists have just as much faith as me" that almost sounds like people are saying "I don't have a legitimate logical argument but neither do the atheists!". If that is what you are saying then you are saying you cannot reason God into existence and are at best then probably going to become agnostic. Any atheist that claims PERFECT knowledge that there is no supernatural entities out there has to meet an impossible burden of proof claim.
However I could also say that you cannot disprove Zeus either. Does that mean we are all agnostic according to Zeus? I suspect that one day Christianity's portrayal of God will fall right along where Zeus has but it will take some more time for that to occur. However to say it is faith because I have come to the conclusion based on lack of evidence is to say that you take it on faith that there are not invisible gremlins all named tinklepinkle living behind your eyeballs helping you see.
This idea of you can't prove it not true so it is valid is so on its face absurd that we might as well say any abstract idea someone can imagine up has to be given legitimacy. Are we now all agnostic towards every single Hindu god etc? Again this has nothing to do with alternate explanations. This has to do with examining the God explanation by itself without worrying about alternate explanations. To deal with an idea's validity you don't jump around looking at everything else you focus on the idea itself.
Faith is unproven ideas you believe.
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem