(March 8, 2012 at 12:53 am)Undeceived Wrote: Faith is believing without seeing. As humans, it is impossible to believe without reason.
We don't believe because of human reason. We believe because of the grace given to us by the Holy Spirit.
Quote:2Tim 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Quote:Christians have reason, they just get it through places other than direct sensory intake--historical accounts, archeology, logic, morality, evidence of intelligent design.
Paul was speaking metaphorically when he writes about things not seen. You see, this IS a good example of metaphor. He's not talking about the air or other things you can't see. He's using "not seen" to refer to what is not proven or has no evidence.
When you play this game, you are playing in the atheist's court. We as the saved do not believe because we are convinced by archaeology or any of that science stuff. We are saved by the grace of the Holy Spirit. Keep the discussion in the court where we have the advantage, in faith (and the torture chambers of the inquisitors but those damn liberals of the Enlightenment have taken all that away).
Quote:Quoting C.S. Lewis: "Faith is the art of holding on to things your reason has once accepted in spite of your changing moods." I have faith my wife still loves me even after an argument, even when she is angry. Even when I am angry, I still love her back. That's faith.
I'm looking for the Book of C.S. Lewis in the Bible but I can't find it. He's just an apologist, someone trying to use reason in matters of faith. I have no use for him.
Quote:secondary evidence-> reason -> belief -> faith
Uh, uh. Holy Spirit -> faith -> belief
"You don't need facts when you got Jesus." -Pastor Deacon Fred, Landover Baptist Church
: True Christian is a Trademark of the Landover Baptist Church. I have no affiliation with this fine group of True Christians because I can't afford their tithing requirements but would like to be. Maybe someday the Lord will bless me with enough riches that I am able to.
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: True Christian is a Trademark of the Landover Baptist Church. I have no affiliation with this fine group of True Christians because I can't afford their tithing requirements but would like to be. Maybe someday the Lord will bless me with enough riches that I am able to.
And for the lovers of Poe, here's your winking smiley:
