RE: Bible contradictions?
March 8, 2012 at 9:21 am
(This post was last modified: March 8, 2012 at 9:27 am by Phil.)
(March 8, 2012 at 12:53 am)Undeceived Wrote: As humans, it is impossible to believe without reason.
I need a scientific citation of that or I'll feel free to call you a liar who pulls "facts" out of his ass. By scientific citation I am not referring to WLC or any other apologists.
(March 8, 2012 at 1:06 am)Undeceived Wrote: Joseph is said to be the "son of Heli" because him being the legal father made the genealogy his as well. It was culturally normal to call the woman's genealogy her husband's too.
Wrong on both counts, care to try again? Just because an apologist makes the claim does not mean it is true nor does it mean someone like me wont call you a retard for saying it.
(March 8, 2012 at 1:24 am)YahwehIsTheWay Wrote:(March 8, 2012 at 12:53 am)Undeceived Wrote: Faith is believing without seeing. As humans, it is impossible to believe without reason.
We don't believe because of human reason. We believe because of the grace given to us by the Holy Spirit.
Quote:2Tim 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Quote:Christians have reason, they just get it through places other than direct sensory intake--historical accounts, archeology, logic, morality, evidence of intelligent design.
Paul was speaking metaphorically when he writes about things not seen. You see, this IS a good example of metaphor. He's not talking about the air or other things you can't see. He's using "not seen" to refer to what is not proven or has no evidence.
When you play this game, you are playing in the atheist's court. We as the saved do not believe because we are convinced by archaeology or any of that science stuff. We are saved by the grace of the Holy Spirit. Keep the discussion in the court where we have the advantage, in faith (and the torture chambers of the inquisitors but those damn liberals of the Enlightenment have taken all that away).
Quote:Quoting C.S. Lewis: "Faith is the art of holding on to things your reason has once accepted in spite of your changing moods." I have faith my wife still loves me even after an argument, even when she is angry. Even when I am angry, I still love her back. That's faith.
I'm looking for the Book of C.S. Lewis in the Bible but I can't find it. He's just an apologist, someone trying to use reason in matters of faith. I have no use for him.
Quote:secondary evidence-> reason -> belief -> faith
Uh, uh. Holy Spirit -> faith -> belief
Maybe you should tell Undeceived the retard that if faith were reasonable or logical it would be called reason or logic. Last time I checked faith is called neither.