(March 15, 2012 at 7:09 pm)chipan Wrote: This is an example of how animals can offspring varieties of animals in not millions, but hundreds of years. How does this support your case?
Dogs have been around for more than a few hundred years but the breeding of wolves into dogs (separate species) shows that speciation is possible (contrary to ID proponents assertions, that microevolution happens but there is some sort of barrier that prevents speciation or macroevolution).
In sum: it happened therefore it can happen.
Clear?
Quote:I would imagine a transitional form to show gradual change in species, not dramatic.
Evolution does not feature dramatic changes at all. Dramatic changes, like a horse giving birth to a giraffe, would disprove evolution and be evidence for a supernatural influence.
Quote:There is no species that is between a horse and a giraffe. No animal or fossil that has an intermediate neck. A horse can't give birth to a giraffe so where's the transition?
There is none. Again, that would disprove evolution.
Think wolf to dog. Even though that was artificial selection, the same process is at work.
Quote:As for your examples, we are a little skeptical of your "transitional primitive human" forms based on history of hoaxes. Piltdown man is now an acknowlaged hoax, the only evidence for nebraska man turned out to be a pigs tooth, Ramapithecus consisted of a mere handful of teeth and jaw fragments put together incorrectly by Louis Leakey. It was actually an ape jaw. Eugene Dubois acknowledged java man was probably just a large gibbon and admitted that he withheld parts of four other bones of apes found in the same area. Neanderthal man was a man crippled with arthritis and rickets. Their fleshy portions are all imaginative. See the pattern?
Remember what I said about the process of peer review? Remember how I explained that the process of peer review ferrets out all the frauds and mistakes to separate out what is legitimate?
It was that very process that exposed these hoaxes. Scientists, not Creationists, exposed and rejected these hoaxes. That's how it works. And guess what? The puzzle fit together much better when these hoaxes like Piltdown were rejected. Scientists were relieved, not dismayed. For so long, the Piltdown man stuck out like a sore thumb. The more legitimate fossils were discovered, the less Piltdown made sense.
Scientific peer review. It works.
Quote:Well conspiracy is a strong claim. Someone would need a lot of evidence to say there's conspiracy.
Indeed you do.
Again, we have:
1. A hundred years.
2. Across all international borders
3. Complete subversion of the peer review process.
4. Total takeover of the entire field of biology
You don't just need to assert a conspiracy here. You need to assert the BIGGEST CONSPIRACY OF ALL TIME AND A VAST INTERNATIONAL ILLUMINATI STYLE ORGANIZATION BEHIND IT!
Quote:I won't say there is but what would you consider all these hoaxes? How would you categorize them?
As frauds successfully exposed by the rigorous process of peer review proving that science can be relied upon to factor in all available evidence and discard what turns out not to be true.
Quote:In no other field has there been more hoaxes.
Really? Source please?
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