Same sex marriage

[Creed of Heresy]

But fucking altarboys is ok?

Just checking.

I always find it quite interesting that if someone commits a crime and happen to be atheist, atheists jump and shout and point out that the crime had nothing to do with the person being an atheist. BUT...when a person commits a crime and happens to be religious they are happy to make the correlation. It always strikes me as inconsistant thinking. Does an atheist paedophile give me the right to accuse all atheists or even imply a correlation? Anyone doing such a thing would be reprehensible wouldn't they? To try and imply something about a group of people beacuse of the actions of others?

Actually, you see, our greatest weakness is our greatest strength. Atheists have no 'moral standing' other than their own. Considering that so very, very, very many pedophiles, rapists, and murderers in jail in the US, for example, are christians [somewhere to the tune of like 88%], and less than 1% of the prison populations are atheists [compare with the population statistics of the country at large; also factor in most of those atheists are probably in for possessing marijuana], you're already standing on weak legs on this argument. Factor in that very, very rarely are two atheists ever alike in their personal beliefs on morals and ethics [and yet somehow commit the fewest crimes per average of populations of all groups in the world, buddhists included], plus factor in that all christians hold themselves up to be paragons of virtue and morality and that their religion makes them essentially good as long as they beg to an unprovable entity of their forgivance, while no atheist dares to hold him or herself up to be a paragon of much of anything beyond what they can empirically bring to the table and the kneecaps of your meager rebuttal have just given out. Atheists are not organized except for the ones who adhere to philosophies like humanism, such as myself. And I urge you to go seeking any stories of humanists murdering, raping, or molesting people. You'll be looking for one of them about as long as you'll be looking for definitive, undetractable proof of god:

Forever.

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Nearly, at the moment, in law, same sex couples cannot marry. They can have civil partnerships. In the UK if you provide a service to the public you cannot discriminate on grounds of gender, sexuality etc. For example a hotel owner recently turned away a gay couple because of her religious beliefs and was taken to court. If marriage is made legal, the Church provides a service to the public of performing marriages, therefore a case can be made that they must not discriminate on grounds of sexuality. Even if the UK courts dismiss it the European court of human rights is known for its insanely liberal views and could force Churches to perform the ceremony.

I should point out: Wasn't the Anglican Church responsible for forcing creationism and bible-reading on young students for many many decades until the 90s or something? Yeah, you guys suddenly see what it's like to have shit forced on you. You don't like it, huh?

Your lesson has been learned, perhaps. But I doubt it...