(March 19, 2012 at 9:20 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: Actually, you see, our greatest weakness is our greatest strength. Atheists have no 'moral standing' other than their own. Considering that so very, very, very many pedophiles, rapists, and murderers in jail in the US, for example, are christians [somewhere to the tune of like 88%], and less than 1% of the prison populations are atheists [compare with the population statistics of the country at large; also factor in most of those atheists are probably in for possessing marijuana], you're already standing on weak legs on this argument. Factor in that very, very rarely are two atheists ever alike in their personal beliefs on morals and ethics [and yet somehow commit the fewest crimes per average of populations of all groups in the world, buddhists included], plus factor in that all christians hold themselves up to be paragons of virtue and morality and that their religion makes them essentially good as long as they beg to an unprovable entity of their forgivance, while no atheist dares to hold him or herself up to be a paragon of much of anything beyond what they can empirically bring to the table and the kneecaps of your meager rebuttal have just given out. Atheists are not organized except for the ones who adhere to philosophies like humanism, such as myself. And I urge you to go seeking any stories of humanists murdering, raping, or molesting people. You'll be looking for one of them about as long as you'll be looking for definitive, undetractable proof of god:
Forever.
I don't see how statistics make the argument? Are you saying that its perfectly acceptable to imply a group of people are paedophiles depending on how many you find? What is that figure? 5% 10%? What percentage of criminals within a group gives you justification to call or imply they are all paedophiles? I personally take the view that implying any group of people are guilty as a whole because of the actions of some of thier members (regardless of numbers) is at best juvenile and illogical. But some people prefer juvenile and illogical as opposed to discussion in my experience..