RE: Is purposeless torture moral?
April 12, 2012 at 3:10 pm
(This post was last modified: April 12, 2012 at 3:20 pm by Greatest I am.)
(April 12, 2012 at 12:51 pm)NoMoreFaith Wrote: If its gods will, it cannot be immoral is probably the argument.
Which means human morality and divine don't match, in which case we have a nasty case of wtf are you worshipping then.
I'm telling ya, Lucifer ran a con, the snake was the benevolent god helping adam and eve escape eden.
It makes more sense if you start reversing roles,
Yes and you will note that the original Jewish take is more as you say, an escape. They saw Eden as man's elevation but the Christians reversed that initial success for man to a fall.
Way more $$$$$$$ in a fall.
Regards
DL
(April 12, 2012 at 1:18 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Is purposeful torture moral?
(The Dick Cheney Book of Xtian Morality apparently thinks so.)
I think that we could build a scenario that would say that yes, there may be instances where it could be moral but it would have to include known facts to the torturer and a damned good justification for doing so.
Regards
DL
(April 12, 2012 at 1:31 pm)Insanity x Wrote: I see the monotheistic god as having the mentality of "Piss me off and I will beat the shit out of you, forever. But if you do exactly what I say everything will be okay." Sounds more like a hostage situation to me.
Gulp. There goes free will. Then again, God's idea of free will, do it my way or burn forever, is hardly what a sane person would call free will.
Regards
DL
(April 12, 2012 at 1:59 pm)Killman Wrote: Anyone who supports eternal torture is a pathetic waste of flesh, in my opinion. Believing in such madness would make my mornings insanely depressing.
Mine as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc
Better to shovel coal in hell than to spend eternity in heaven watching friends, neighbors and our children in torture and flame forever.
Only a sick mind would conceive of such a situation or wish it upon anyone. That is why God would not do such because then, heaven would be hell.
If those in heaven did not go insane then they could not have once been human or good.
Regards
DL
(April 12, 2012 at 2:27 pm)Faith No More Wrote:Greatest I am Wrote:Is it moral for God to use or let others choose to use his torture chamber called hell or the lake of fire?
Of course not, but Christians have their mental gymnastics to get around it. You see, rather than judge god on his actions they just declare him to be pure good, therefore no matter how horrible of an atrocity god commits, it must be good.
At least the Greeks were smart enough to see that if there was a god(s) he/she/they had to be malevolent on some level.
Yes. Literalism has killed any morality that the bible had.
Regards
DL
(April 12, 2012 at 2:36 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: If I was god I'd enforce a JUST system where finite crimes deserve finite punishment in Hell, and then gradual rehabilitation through Limbo or wherever to Heaven. After they've done the time, and the victim(s) of their actions has enjoyed paradise for awhile, then there's no reason or justification to be angry with the offender any more. Its all about restoring them after that. There wouldn't be anyone left in Hell after several hundred years or so with me in charge, reminds me of the line from Eraser:
"If God was as forgiving as WITSEC hell would be one empty joint."
But alas, theists believe in a cosmic cretin of similar intellect.Infinite punishment is not a real amount or duration of punishment anyway. It can't be reached, therefore, justice also cannot be achieved.
(April 12, 2012 at 12:35 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Some think it is eternal while some think that it and its occupants are eventually dumped into a lake of fire and destroyed.Isn't that asinine of them to think that though? What's the point of resurrecting the damned from oblivion, only to send them straight back to oblivion?
Religious dogma isn't just full of convoluted crap, its just plain silly.
No argument from me my friend.
Regards
DL
