(August 11, 2010 at 5:28 am)solja247 Wrote: This sentence has no backing, philosphically speaking. This claim that any belief in God is 'stupid'. Is unwarranted and is clearly ignorant that the majority of great western philosphers were theists or Deists. And did have a belief in God. People who are much more smarter than you and if they were alive today, would make the above person look stupid (and Dawkins for that matter).
It amuses me when people make unsubstantiated claims about a creator, a saviour who rose from the dead and waterskied in slow motion and then points to someone else and says "Haha, have heard what that crazy guy believes in! Talking snakes!"
Otherwise your argument reads like this;
A) Person A is intelligent
B) Person A believes in God
C) Therefore God Exists!
Interestingly enough thou, you wish to cite intelligent philosophers, yet almost 3/4 of "professional philosophers" are atheist (Bourget & Chalmers 2009). So do the philosophical opinions of historical figures supercede the majority philosopher consensus?
Now I'm not claiming argumentum ad populum, but I am trying to express how worthless the argument from authority and intelligence is in this case.
Quote:Dawkins attacks fundamentalists, the idea of hell needs to be discarded by Christians (It is unbiblical)
You're right he is not a philosopher, this is commented on by atheists and theists alike, but this hardly the only reference in the world. There are plenty sound philosophical arguments against a supernatural entity as well.
You may try to exclude yourself by saying that only fundamentalists are attacked, but you are not excluded. Your beliefs may be more sophisticated, no doubt, but still irrational, assertion of an unfalsifiable hypothesis.
Whether its talking snakes, or resurrected deities, or flying horses the fact your arguments have become more sophisticated than antiquity to avoid the awkward fact that much of what is claimed has been contradicted by scientific inquiry is quite irrational in itself.
If the natural world shows contradictions in your belief, changing your beliefs to exclude that which is shown to be false and cherry picking those that cannot be falsified or have not yet been shown to be false as still true, is still irrational, regardless of apologetics.
Self-authenticating private evidence is useless, because it is indistinguishable from the illusion of it. ― Kel, Kelosophy Blog
If you’re going to watch tele, you should watch Scooby Doo. That show was so cool because every time there’s a church with a ghoul, or a ghost in a school. They looked beneath the mask and what was inside?
The f**king janitor or the dude who runs the waterslide. Throughout history every mystery. Ever solved has turned out to be. Not Magic. ― Tim Minchin, Storm
If you’re going to watch tele, you should watch Scooby Doo. That show was so cool because every time there’s a church with a ghoul, or a ghost in a school. They looked beneath the mask and what was inside?
The f**king janitor or the dude who runs the waterslide. Throughout history every mystery. Ever solved has turned out to be. Not Magic. ― Tim Minchin, Storm