RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 22, 2012 at 2:30 pm
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2012 at 2:34 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I, as a strong atheist, don't have much of an interest in "proving" anything about a god. It isn't an issue of philosophy, this is simply the place where believers have retreated to in an attempt to salvage their bullshit. A philosophical argument has little value beyond the argument if we cannot assign a measure of truth or value to it's assertions. Philosophical arguments about god are a wonderful excersize in craft, but they must be brought into the world beyond argument if we are to discuss these things on the terms that believers would lay claim to. Gods are a product of evidentiary claims. Gods do or did this or that, they cause this or that, they provide this or that service. They exist here, in the world beyond argumentation, but never in the sense that believers would claim. All we know about gods is completely material. Every claim made, every story told. This is the body of knowledge available. In each and every case we see gods used as a placeholder for some human urge, desire, thought, curiosity. There is nothing else to it. I see no need to invoke anything beyond this.
Show me a god, be specific, and I will provide anyone with material evidence, not philosophical arguments, there is no lack of it. None of it leads to "existence". "But what about the nameless, faceless, claimless gods". What god might that be? Why are we using the word god for this again?
Show me a god, be specific, and I will provide anyone with material evidence, not philosophical arguments, there is no lack of it. None of it leads to "existence". "But what about the nameless, faceless, claimless gods". What god might that be? Why are we using the word god for this again?
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