Re: RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 23, 2012 at 3:02 pm
(This post was last modified: April 23, 2012 at 3:11 pm by fr0d0.)
(April 23, 2012 at 7:59 am)Ace Otana Wrote:(April 23, 2012 at 7:51 am)fr0d0 Wrote: As an atheist, just as me as a theist, you should be able to present rational evidence of your stance. I couldn't defend 'theism' either - because it's too wide a subject. I only defend Christianity.
That's complete nonsense Fr0d0. Why would I need to show evidence for my lack of belief in god? It doesn't make any sense.
It's like me saying that you must show evidence that you don't believe in the god Odin or Thor or any other higher power or whatever.
I was an atheist long before I was even aware of the word. Atheism simply means without theism. It doesn't get any simpler than that. It really doesn't.
Besides, evidence for my stance which is atheism. A lack of theism, lack of belief in god. What evidence do you expect to see? What would that evidence prove?
Hey Ace. I'm not asking you to justify atheism, just as I cannot defend theism. What is asked of you is justifications for what you actually believe, rather than what you don't.
For example, you might be a rationalist. A fatalist. An absurdist. You might describe your outlook more loosely.
I'm not going to make the point again
about your insistance on impossible evidence. I don't think I'll ever understand how you can justify that!The above would make you a materialist. If you think that fits, then the onus falls to you to defend that.
So your particular brand of atheism is materialism.
(April 23, 2012 at 10:54 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Christianity makes rather more claims, and some of them are about more than your personal convictions.
On a site like this where the vast majority of atheists are rational skeptics and humanists there is a tendency to engage us on that level and we have a tendency to allow 'atheism' to be used as a short hand for those positions. It would be more accurate to use such terms instead of 'atheism', though.
Christianity, as I understand it to be defined, that is, apart from what lies outside of the classification of the mainstream church, and not what might encompass it with the widest definition, claims nothing more than my personal convictions.
Thank-you for your second point. That's what I mean exactly.
