RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 24, 2012 at 12:12 pm
(This post was last modified: April 24, 2012 at 12:21 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
You missed a very easy alternative, there is a god, and it is wholly a product of our own minds, IE, mis-attribution. Conveniently (or inconveniently, depending), all evidence we do have available points to this conclusion. We have not arrived at naturalism by default (and it certainly was not the place where we began), we have arrived at naturalism through rigorous investigation and self correction. It is all that is left to us, but we're still looking, so maybe someday we'll find a "god", if it exists anywhere beyond our imaginations. If we do, it isn't exactly likely to be your own (I'm being generous here), or anything even resembling what you imagine a god to be.
Matter is not dead, some matter can be "alive" or "dead". These two terms are classifications for a very specific type of matter (in our case organic matter). Matter classified as "organic" is itself not alive either. No single fundamental component of what you are can be said to be alive. The term "alive" itself is merely a description of the complicated interactions between all of this matter, for so long as it continues to interact. Again, I need not offer an explanation for this, especially seeing as that we currently do not have anything resembling an ironclad explanation. What we do know, is that there was once no "living matter", and now there is. We know that the materials involved with "living matter" existed prior to life, and we know that they continue to exist up to this very day. We also know that we are comprised entirely of these things. At what point does any of this lend credibility to your invocations of magic (which we have never found, at any point we have ever went looking)?
Why, because you find it easier to argue against such claims than you do "We don't know."? The fact remains that your camp proposes these things, mine does not. Argue against yourself until you're blue in the face, I won't mind.
Ah, so god began or came from something? By what means? I''ll gladly give credit for the cosmos to those means if you are capable of demonstrating them. Give me a rough summary of your link, I won't be gracing it with a single hit until I'm have reason to assume that I'm not completely wasting my time with ridiculous bullshit. Oh, wait, I just caught a glimpse of your next little tirade. So this bit here was sophistry, wasn't it? "I didn't say that, now let me get around to saying exactly that"
You've just repeated those claims which you told me you did not make only a few sentences beforehand. Is this intentional dishonesty, or cognitive dissonance?
Now, I don't mind discussing why I don't believe, especially with regards to why you do. However, if this is the sort of dialogue were going to have, with you making these "arguments" that you have made thusfar, then lets drop any pretense of logic or evidence or proof. You wish for me to offer you an explanation for the entirety of the cosmos, and until you hear one which satisfies you, you are going to go with god. Be my guest. I have no explanations for the entirety of the cosmos, and neither do you.
Matter is not dead, some matter can be "alive" or "dead". These two terms are classifications for a very specific type of matter (in our case organic matter). Matter classified as "organic" is itself not alive either. No single fundamental component of what you are can be said to be alive. The term "alive" itself is merely a description of the complicated interactions between all of this matter, for so long as it continues to interact. Again, I need not offer an explanation for this, especially seeing as that we currently do not have anything resembling an ironclad explanation. What we do know, is that there was once no "living matter", and now there is. We know that the materials involved with "living matter" existed prior to life, and we know that they continue to exist up to this very day. We also know that we are comprised entirely of these things. At what point does any of this lend credibility to your invocations of magic (which we have never found, at any point we have ever went looking)?
Why, because you find it easier to argue against such claims than you do "We don't know."? The fact remains that your camp proposes these things, mine does not. Argue against yourself until you're blue in the face, I won't mind.
Ah, so god began or came from something? By what means? I''ll gladly give credit for the cosmos to those means if you are capable of demonstrating them. Give me a rough summary of your link, I won't be gracing it with a single hit until I'm have reason to assume that I'm not completely wasting my time with ridiculous bullshit. Oh, wait, I just caught a glimpse of your next little tirade. So this bit here was sophistry, wasn't it? "I didn't say that, now let me get around to saying exactly that"
You've just repeated those claims which you told me you did not make only a few sentences beforehand. Is this intentional dishonesty, or cognitive dissonance?
Now, I don't mind discussing why I don't believe, especially with regards to why you do. However, if this is the sort of dialogue were going to have, with you making these "arguments" that you have made thusfar, then lets drop any pretense of logic or evidence or proof. You wish for me to offer you an explanation for the entirety of the cosmos, and until you hear one which satisfies you, you are going to go with god. Be my guest. I have no explanations for the entirety of the cosmos, and neither do you.
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