Noah's Ark Zoo

[Kyuuketsuki]

The way The Church has carefully conducted a campaign against atheists and the meaning of atheism so that people are ashamed to admit they are such? So that coming out as an atheist is a difficult and often shaming experience?

I see, so this is not about these people at all. You are angry that 'the Church' has campaigned against secularisation, and want some measure of revenge against the people you feel are responsible. That is the conclusion I would draw if I was a Fruadian. Psychoanalytical rocks!

Don't be arse Dagda, that wasn't what I said! My response was SPECIFICALLY addressed to your comment, "I find that campaigns against a group of people tend to create a martyred status just the same" ... you're being a dick!

You're an idiot to ignore the threat they represent ... 7 years ago I predicted they would hit the UK as well, that they were not just a US phenomenon! Now they are in the UK education system and in those of many other European nations ... these people are dangerous! There was a time when many people thought they way these people think, a time before the enlightenment ... it was known as The Dark Ages and there is reason to be wary of such ignorance.

I don't want them banned but I will fight to stop them being publicly funded and will oppose the ignorance and bigotry they spread.

I am not ignoring them. I am just reminding you that rhetoric like the kind you are writing in this thread can lead to blind hatred. Take a step back and try and see the situation from their point of view. The people at the zoo are probably very nice people with no hidden agenda beyond conserving a couple of animals and trying to explain their point of view.

Oh yeah ... take a step back and try to see it from a point of view of ignorance and bigotry? Like I'm really going to do that ... I prefer education and unfortunately that requires legislation because if you didn't these people's children don't stand a chance (not to mention those they infect with their poisonous stupidity).

You talk about atheistic discrimination. Perhaps in America, but in this country [UK] there is a trend in which 'coming out' and saying you are a devout Christian, and attend Church regularly is met with jokes and mocking. I am not saying there is not atheistic discrimination, but I would ask that you look at the other side of the fence once and a while.

Somehow I think you're exaggerating ... 72% of the people in the UK stated they were Christian, much of the media freely holds religious belief up as an icon, the BBC spends significant amounts of money on religious programming, the government is continuing to allow (even when it goes wholly elected) the second house to have bishops in it and the monarch is the head of the Christian church with the presumed future monarch wanting to be head of all UK religions.

Creationists have as much right to voice their views as humanists, and it is perfectly legal and decent in a humane society for all views to be aired and understood, if not agreed with.

Oh indeed they have but what they DON'T have a right to (no religious or religious stance based groups which includes humanist) is access to the public purse or assistance from any body funded by it.

Kyu