RE: Same sex marriage
May 14, 2012 at 9:08 am
(This post was last modified: May 14, 2012 at 9:11 am by genkaus.)
(May 14, 2012 at 8:55 am)StatCrux Wrote: I think you're confusing the issue of marriage with procreation. The general rule we are discussing is the procreative nature of male-female unions.
"The incorrect rule is applicable if and only if the correct one is not available."Genkaus
What is the correct rule then regarding male-female procreation if the general rule that they ARE procreative is no longer valid?
This is so simple, male-female unions in principal are procreative same sex unions are not. Any fool can see the truth in that. Exceptions do not change that. An infertile woman does not alter the general rule that male-female unions are procreative, simple.
Moving the goalposts now are we? You are the one who has been arguing marriage based on procreation and now suddenly they are two different issues. No matter. Let's go step by step here.
Rule: Male-female unions are procreative.
Exception: Infertile male-female unions are not.
New Rule: Only male-female unions can be procreative.
Exception: With emerging technology, it is possible to reproduce asexually (cloning) or with same-sex partners.
New Rule: A human being can procreate.
Now, justify why we should use procreation as the basis for defining marriage?
(May 14, 2012 at 8:59 am)StatCrux Wrote: It seems obvious to me that you are happy to keep the male/female definition despite the fact that exceptions exist but are unwilling to keep the male-female unions are procreative in principal despite the fact that exceptions exist. You want it both ways
It is obvious to me that we are willing to change our minds about male/female definition as soon as a better one comes along, while you are so close-minded and bigoted that you are not willing to change your definition of marriage even though a better one is already available.
(May 14, 2012 at 9:02 am)StatCrux Wrote: WTF! You explicity said that the criteria for male and female was incorrect!
"with full knowledge that exceptions exist that prove that the criteria is incorrect" Genkaus
I haven't given any criteria for male or female.
That point was regarding your definition of marriage, not male/female, you moron.